Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

Well folks, here's another interesting Singer post. Please draw your own conclusions....:

"Come on Alan, you know how unforgiving video poker is. I lost as an "optimal play expert" when good pay tables & cash back were common, then I had a good run by understanding how important luck was to winning and taking maximum advantage of it.

No one beats this game consistently no matter how smart they make everyone think they are, how fast or flawlessly they claim to play, or how they supposedly outsmart the casinos and their slot clubs. And no one ever has. It is a known fact that players have not and will never defeat the casinos at their own game of math.

It's no surprise that those who talk of beating the game with all their AP crap have never offered to prove anything publicly and always hide behind mathematical explanations as their crutch. It's also no coincidence that those who write books and sell the perfect strategy just are not able to retire from any of it no matter how old and hideous they get, because they are so addicted to the game and if they want to continue playing they have to continue selling. And if you notice how someone like Frank operates: secret teams who supposedly have always used casinos as their own personal ATM's? Come on. You actually believe casinos would ever allow TEAMS to descend upon them if they were consistently profitting off their progressives?

It's time to come to grips with what's been going on within the commercialized video poker world---something I've been preaching to the public since 2000. These people are nothing but addicts who continuously need to keep the fire of justification-for-playing lit. There is only one true way of winning at this game, and that is to properly prepare for it in your mind and your pocketbook, actually do it in the exact way I did it, then back up the claims of results to the naysayers, critics, disbelievers, and jealous name-callers with published challenges in Las Vegas that I could both prove what I've already won and prove I could win going forward with actual witnessed play. And guess why all the aforementioned phonies have never wanted any part of that!

So don't go believing all these desk jockies who hide behind theory instead of actually doing something. Why do you think an angry person such as arcimedes wastes so much time on all forums proclaiming how great AP's do and how bad I supposedly do? A guy like that not only can't shake the curse of playing--even in the midst of all the,sufferring going on around him. He spends every other waking moment on the forums trying to get a virtual vp fix by telling everyone they don't understand what they're talking about if they don't think like him.

Know this: there is no such thing as AP-winning without the same extraordinary luck anyone who wins has. And NO AP wins consistently. The writing has been and always will be on the wall right there in front of you all."



What surprises me is that Singer plays the optimal play 95% using SPS. He claims that when he was playing the optimal play for 100% he lost. Now becauce of making his special plays (5% of the time), long shots for luck, he made close to one million dollars. Oh and he banks some small wins at different levels of play. So he hit luck constantly for about 10 years. Did you also know he's wearing an S on his chest, underneath his clothes . Since SPS I believe Singer lost something else.......you figure out what it is.
This ones classic: "No one beats this game consistently no matter how smart they make everyone think they are".

So, if no one beats the game then we can assume that includes Singer himself. I think he just accidentally admitted all his claims of winning are a lie.

"Come on. You actually believe casinos would ever allow TEAMS to descend upon them if they were consistently profitting off their progressives?"

And, once again, Singer calls Frank a liar. As if casinos really care who wins and who loses. As long as machines are profitable they have no reason to care.

"published challenges in Las Vegas that I could both prove what I've already won and prove I could win going forward with actual witnessed play. And guess why all the aforementioned phonies have never wanted any part of that!"

Interestingly, the only time I ever agreed to meet Singer was to show him my tax return immediately before putting it in the mail box. Of course, this is really the only way to come close to proving whether a person is winning or losing. Singer backed down at the last minute. Funny, he never made the same offer to me.
Quote

Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
Well folks, here's another interesting Singer post. Please draw your own conclusions....:

"Come on Alan, you know how unforgiving video poker is. I lost as an "optimal play expert" when good pay tables & cash back were common, then I had a good run by understanding how important luck was to winning and taking maximum advantage of it.

No one beats this game consistently no matter how smart they make everyone think they are, how fast or flawlessly they claim to play, or how they supposedly outsmart the casinos and their slot clubs. And no one ever has. It is a known fact that players have not and will never defeat the casinos at their own game of math.

It's no surprise that those who talk of beating the game with all their AP crap have never offered to prove anything publicly and always hide behind mathematical explanations as their crutch. It's also no coincidence that those who write books and sell the perfect strategy just are not able to retire from any of it no matter how old and hideous they get, because they are so addicted to the game and if they want to continue playing they have to continue selling. And if you notice how someone like Frank operates: secret teams who supposedly have always used casinos as their own personal ATM's? Come on. You actually believe casinos would ever allow TEAMS to descend upon them if they were consistently profitting off their progressives?

It's time to come to grips with what's been going on within the commercialized video poker world---something I've been preaching to the public since 2000. These people are nothing but addicts who continuously need to keep the fire of justification-for-playing lit. There is only one true way of winning at this game, and that is to properly prepare for it in your mind and your pocketbook, actually do it in the exact way I did it, then back up the claims of results to the naysayers, critics, disbelievers, and jealous name-callers with published challenges in Las Vegas that I could both prove what I've already won and prove I could win going forward with actual witnessed play. And guess why all the aforementioned phonies have never wanted any part of that!

So don't go believing all these desk jockies who hide behind theory instead of actually doing something. Why do you think an angry person such as arcimedes wastes so much time on all forums proclaiming how great AP's do and how bad I supposedly do? A guy like that not only can't shake the curse of playing--even in the midst of all the,sufferring going on around him. He spends every other waking moment on the forums trying to get a virtual vp fix by telling everyone they don't understand what they're talking about if they don't think like him.

Know this: there is no such thing as AP-winning without the same extraordinary luck anyone who wins has. And NO AP wins consistently. The writing has been and always will be on the wall right there in front of you all."



What surprises me is that Singer plays the optimal play 95% using SPS. He claims that when he was playing the optimal play for 100% he lost. Now becauce of making his special plays (5% of the time), long shots for luck, he made close to one million dollars. Oh and he banks some small wins at different levels of play. So he hit luck constantly for about 10 years. Did you also know he's wearing an S on his chest, underneath his clothes . Since SPS I believe Singer lost something else.......you figure out what it is.


This post brings up some excellent examples of divergent conclusions about AP's, casinos, teams, etc...

I don't think it would be fair to comment on these here where Rob can't chime in. I'll include a discussion about this in the Eval. Some of these points are already covered, I'll add the new ones. Rob also wants to get together again to demonstrate his system to me before I publish. I see no reason to deny this request. More information is always better than less.

~FK
Dear Snidely if you time would it be possible for you to explain to the folks why professional progressive play is less frowned upon than AP and why casinos notice and care about it less...and why progressive pros are treated more like live poker players than standard AP's. Thanks! I'm sure you know the math. And there's no need to do it as a refute...just offer the other viewpoint.

More dating for me today and I'm cooking Indian food for a party tomorrow. No time for long posts... Really fun week. Almost hooked up with Kaypea last night for open mic at the Bootlegger. He missed a great show...

Frank I'm having some problems with your income numbers. If your after tax income is $40k you are probably grossing only $50k which is less than what a shift manager at In N Out earns plus the manager has health ins, vacation, social security plus profit sharing with In N Out and some 401k or other pension. That's something for the VP pro wannabees to consider.

Also my experience with pro poker players (and here in LA I've played with many of them at Commerce and the Bike) they tend to fall into one of two camps: thise with endorsements and those who are scraping by. Most scrape by and when they are scouting for buy in money it's not because they are downplaying their wins.

You can tell who is successfull by what they drive and where they live and how many diamonds they wear. I don't know any successful gamblers who try to be modest because modesty doesn't get endorsements or sell books. Dancer isn't modest, is he?

I don't know of many big profitable gamblers living modestly or with a roommate unless she's a live-in babe.
Quote

Originally posted by: FrankKneeland
Dear Snidely if you time would it be possible for you to explain to the folks why professional progressive play is less frowned upon than AP and why casinos notice and care about it less...and why progressive pros are treated more like live poker players than standard AP's. Thanks! I'm sure you know the math. And there's no need to do it as a refute...just offer the other viewpoint.

More dating for me today and I'm cooking Indian food for a party tomorrow. No time for long posts... Really fun week. Almost hooked up with Kaypea last night for open mic at the Bootlegger. He missed a great show...


Weren't you here for our discussion of this? Maybe it was when you first joined our motley crew. MoneyLA was strong to point out that some little old lady (perhaps from Pasadena) could take that one open spot that your team couldn't fill and win the progressive out from your noses.

As far as the casino, why would the casino care if one person played all 20 machines or 20 separate people played the machines? Money in/ money out.

Live poker pros win each other's money. The casino takes a small fee for hosting the game. MoneyLA had some opinion on this also. As it's the players that build up the progressive; not the casino. But, the casino is "holding" the money for that lucky winner.
Quote

Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Frank I'm having some problems with your income numbers. If your after tax income is $40k you are probably grossing only $50k which is less than what a shift manager at In N Out earns plus the manager has health ins, vacation, social security plus profit sharing with In N Out and some 401k or other pension. That's something for the VP pro wannabees to consider.

Also my experience with pro poker players (and here in LA I've played with many of them at Commerce and the Bike) they tend to fall into one of two camps: thise with endorsements and those who are scraping by. Most scrape by and when they are scouting for buy in money it's not because they are downplaying their wins.

You can tell who is successfull by what they drive and where they live and how many diamonds they wear. I don't know any successful gamblers who try to be modest because modesty doesn't get endorsements or sell books. Dancer isn't modest, is he?

I don't know of many big profitable gamblers living modestly or with a roommate unless she's a live-in babe.



Why and what makes you say some of these things? Sheesh.





RoadTrip why did I say that? Hmmm.....
Information about income and taxes.... True
Information about In N Out managers... True
Experiences I've had with pro poker players... True

That's why I said them. What's the problem? Did I tarnish some of your illusions?
Quote

Originally posted by: MoneyLA
RoadTrip why did I say that? Hmmm.....
Information about income and taxes.... True
Information about In N Out managers... True
Experiences I've had with pro poker players... True

That's why I said them. What's the problem? Did I tarnish some of your illusions?


You completely ignored Frank's assertion that most poker/gambling pros keep a low profile. There is a third camp. It is more likely that there are gambling pros that you don't notice and that is the way they want it. Sheesh.

It seems you are the one with some riverboat gambler illusion of a pro gambler.
Franlk gave us an income figure after taxes of $40,000. The rest of the discussion can be disregarded.
Already a LVA subscriber?
To continue reading, choose an option below:
Diamond Membership
$3 per month
Unlimited access to LVA website
Exclusive subscriber-only content
Limited Member Rewards Online
Join Now
or
Platinum Membership
$50 per year
Unlimited access to LVA website
Exclusive subscriber-only content
Exclusive Member Rewards Book
Join Now