Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
And I'm sorry that I ask the same questions. When I do its because I need more info or don't understand or just flat out disagree.


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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Frank there is certainly a miscommunication problem here.


the problem is YOU.

Perhaps this is a non sequitur perhaps it is not. In the book I read recently "The Drunkards Walk" it referenced an interesting study done into human pattern recognition. Scientists set two buttons to give the subjects a reward if they pushed the correct button. Only one button at a time was enabled to give the reward, and they alternated which button was correct randomly with the left button being correct 75% of the time and the right button getting the remaining 25%.

Rats scored an average of 70% correct pushes, as they quickly learned that the left button was right more often.

ALL the Human test subjects tried to guess at the non-existent pattern, and NONE of them merely opted for always pushing the left button. The BEST any of the human test subjects did was around 55% correct. Similar tests have been conducted and in all cases rats and other non-primates like pigeons score better than humans. The problem would seem to be that humans perceive their pattern recognition as an "all the time asset" and can't switch it off when it's a deficit...like when there is no pattern.

Oh, in the primary test they did not tell the participants that the buttons alternated randomly. In a later re-test they did, but most of the subjects still refused to believe the scientists and continued to look for patterns even when they had been told there were none. Some of the subjects requested to be allowed to continue doing the test, because they felt they were close to figuring out the pattern. These subjects left convinced the scientists were wrong, and that there really was a pattern, even though their best scores had been beaten by the weakest rats.

If we have a hammer all problems become nails.

Off to barbecue. Bang some stuff for me. Have a nice day all...

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Originally posted by: arcimedes
It was probably less than a year ago that I demonstrated to Money that a 2% edge could easily translate into $100K or more yearly income on no more than a 40 hour week. Frank has stated that he typically looked for a 2-4% edge. It should be easy for anyone with a couple of working brain cells to figure out that Frank could have made a quarter million or more for some years and probably nothing less that $50K on a bad year.

But, as he has done with Frank, Money tended to ignore what I wrote. He does not want to hear that professional VP players could make real money. He never has.

No doubt it is more difficult now. It takes a lot more scouting and effort to find high return games. That doesn't mean it is impossible, but it probably means the industry supports far fewer pros than it used to.


So arc explain to me why you haven't mortgaged everything you own to play $100 machines instead of playing 25 cent video poker? The casinos are there for you to loot. Go get 'em.

Frank: the more you preach the theoretical that it is possible to beat the casinos the more the addicts will throw into the machines. What you forget is that all of your math is based on an infinite number of plays and no player has an infinite bankroll. Arc doesn't have a bankroll for more than 25 cent games. Even Uncle Sam has a credit limit. But only VP APs seem to ignore that.

The BS meter has peaked into the red.

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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland
Some of the subjects requested to be allowed to continue doing the test, because they felt they were close to figuring out the pattern. These subjects left convinced the scientists were wrong, and that there really was a pattern, even though their best scores had been beaten by the weakest rats.




Sounds exactly like what happened to Singer and his attempt at advantage play. He lost trying to be an AP mostly due to drinking and carousing. But, he assumed it couldn't be him, it must have been a pattern in the machines.

He's still looking for the pattern.
A nice little piece of Singer modesty on "the other forum". I must admit, MoneyLA is right about at least one thing, Singer surely is his own worst enemy (and his biggest and only friend):

"Anthony Curtis NEEDS me as a major topic on his forum and has asked me to return posting several times, but I've declined. Bob Dancer and Jean Scott NEED Anthony Curtis and the LVA forums in order to keep selling all their vp junk just to help keep gambling money in their pockets. And at the same time, the playing public has made ME the most important personality ever to light up the vp boards.

Now we have Frank Kneeland mega-posting on the forums, especially LVA. And what did he just do? Yup, he wrote a book and uses his postings as an advertising by-line about it. You'll notice at the same time he talks about all these so-called "vp pros" hiding and lurking under the low-profile cloak, and he isn't answering questions about vp income--claiming it's some sort of Roman-Greco secret that's only talked about as "hindsight bias" or whatever he's trying to say. In other words, when someone says "results don't matter--I only believe in theory about what MIGHT happen" then they haven't experienced anything significant enough to discuss and would rather not hear about the successes of others. If they have to, then the history is meaningless because no one theorized about it happening beforehand. So how much sense does THAT make?

I don't think he made his money playing videopoker. I think he secretly made his money with stand up comedy

So arc explain to me why you haven't mortgaged everything you own to play $100 machines instead of playing 25 cent video poker? The casinos are there for you to loot. Go get 'em.

Frank: the more you preach the theoretical that it is possible to beat the casinos the more the addicts will throw into the machines. What you forget is that all of your math is based on an infinite number of plays and no player has an infinite bankroll. Arc doesn't have a bankroll for more than 25 cent games. Even Uncle Sam has a credit limit. But only VP APs seem to ignore that.

The BS meter has peaked into the red.


Looking at this reply one could conclude that MoneyLa and Singer have been hugging and kissing a little too much lately. MoneyLa actually starts to sound like Singer........but of course he's all about facts and not biased........Jenaphir, you have the right name for him. MoneyLa should change his screenname into dimwit
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster

Looking at this reply one could conclude that MoneyLa and Singer have been hugging and kissing a little too much lately.


moneyla wishes. i think its clear that he is just dying to have singer inside of him.

How and why has this thread lingered to 42 pages?
with this LurkerPoster person here copying and pasting so many of Rob's posts from elsewhere, AC might as well let Rob back in, so many of his posts are here anyway
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