Nearing Completion of Evaluation of RS system (not)

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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland
Please folks.

I just wanted to clarify that I had not said anything negative about either Rob or Money and now people are using it as an opportunity to say negative things. Can we all just get a little holiday cheer on and be nice to one another, at least until New Years. When I post for the purpose of smoothing over conflict, and I see it turn into yet more conflict it makes my heart sink...especially this time of year when I have to face a Christmas without family.

You all know what was said now and how it came to be misquoted. Let's just move on.

This issue is at the heart of the ever closing circle that en-wraps the boundary between that which we would see and that which is. To go beyond one must journey within by looking without though eyes unencumbered. ~FK


Ok, I'll be nice until New Years.
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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland
It would be like saying hay you remind me of Marilyn Monroe. Doesn't mean I expect you to have an affair with a Kennedy and wind up naked and dead in a hotel room.

Sincerely,

Frank Kneeland


sidebar here:
Marilyn died in her rented home in LA- NOT some hotel room, and I beleive you mean "hey" and not "hay."
Ur welcome

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
I suggest that everybody chill out. The "evaluation" is not completed. Let's leave it at that for now.


The meaningful part of the evaluation was over before it started. As I've been saying for a long time ... the math is the math. There is no debate about the math except in the minds of the math challenged like yourself. You'd do yourself a big favor to pull the blinders from your eyes and accept reality.

Now, that doesn't mean Frank won't find positive things to say about Singer's approach. If a person is comfortable playing a certain way then there's nothing wrong with them playing that way. However, asserting that a particular method can overcome a negative return is pure nonsense. Asserting that everyone will lose when they have an positive edge is also pure nonsense. Singer does both of these. To any person with any capability to discern lies from facts this should be a huge red flag that the person is not to be trusted. One can only wonder why you choose to ignore the facts.
WTF made Kneeland such an expert anyway. All i've read for the last 2 months is a bunch of blowhard egomaniacal BS. He is much more concerned with how many people here have bought and read his book anyway. I haven't read anything regarding expertise in evaluating VP systems.

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Originally posted by: thlf
WTF made Kneeland such an expert anyway. All i've read for the last 2 months is a bunch of blowhard egomaniacal BS. He is much more concerned with how many people here have bought and read his book anyway. I haven't read anything regarding expertise in evaluating VP systems.


It really doesn't take much more than high school math (if that) to evaluate VP. It just takes some effort to understand how to break it down to it's component parts before applying simple math.

A little more difficult is understanding the statistics but again this is not overly complex. The key ability is problem solving skills. We're not talking rocket science here.

What you should be asking is why people don't want to listen to me ... a math major. Some people just don't want the truth exposed. There has really never been a debate. There is simple mathematical fact on one side and a plethora of lies on the other.

I'm not disagreeing with u 1 bit arci (for a change). I have followed singers rants and raves for years just like you have and I know what a bull shitter he is. But Kneeland came riding in like the knight in shining armour and acted like he was the know all tell all. I can't help but think he just has a raving ego much like singer and just wanted to see how much of a following he could get. Notice I have not posted on this subject until now. I didn't want to argue, I didn't want to influence, I just wanted to hear the big experts opinion. But now not.
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Originally posted by: thlf
WTF made Kneeland such an expert anyway. All i've read for the last 2 months is a bunch of blowhard egomaniacal BS. He is much more concerned with how many people here have bought and read his book anyway. I haven't read anything regarding expertise in evaluating VP systems.


Apparently you came in midway though the Book survey and thought I was doing it because I was concerned about how many people had bought my book. Honestly, I'm having trouble comprehending how you got that impression. I guess you missed that the survey was in response to something someone else said.

Allow me to clarify. I have known since day one that there were no book sales to be had by posting on VP forums and the purpose of the survey was to show people that I knew this. Basically, the survey was to prove the exact opposite of what you suggest. It was intended to prove that I care nothing about book sales.

As far as what I've written here being "egomaniacal", I'm not sure how you got that idea either. Half the time I post it is to share what I've read in books written by people far greater than myself. Typically, people with large egos quote only themselves, and disregard the opinions of others. To my knowledge I almost never do this, and instead prefer only to post about things I've researched well, that are backed up by the scientific and psychological community.

If you think things like the research being done into human cognition and mathematics by some of the greatest minds on our planet (not me) is BS, then I really don't know what to say to you.

For almost all of the important things I've talked about, I've included multiple references and sources.

It is my goal to share such information with all of you here since much of it is contained in obscure science journals and non-best-selling-books , I have never claimed these were my ideas or original to me. If that comes off as egotistical to you, then you have an odd definition of the word.

I would be curious as to what in particular gave you these impressions about me, so I could endeavor to avoid such miss-perception in the future. I always appreciate and listen to constructive criticism, and even if it was not intended that way I'm taking it as such. I'll need a bit more info if I'm to effect change.

~FK
Hey Kneeland

I'll give you my first and only response. Now pay attention. You are wrong! I didn't draw any conclusions about u trying to sell books by any thread that you started. I drew that conclusion from the fact that you advertised your book on every post you made for the first couple months you were on here. If that isn't a dead give away I don't know what is. As far as ego maniac goes, every post you've made is a small book in itself. You can't just answer a question with a straight forward answer. You have to right a small book and show every one else how smart you are and how dumb we are if we don't understand you.

You could have given your evaluation of singers method in one or two sentences, but instead you were up to a book on that as well. Take a technical writing class and learn your audience, then start writing responses and starting threads that the average person can understand. Because i'll give you a clue, most of the people on this board are average people.
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Originally posted by: thlf
Hey Kneeland

I'll give you my first and only response. Now pay attention. You are wrong! I didn't draw any conclusions about u trying to sell books by any thread that you started. I drew that conclusion from the fact that you advertised your book on every post you made for the first couple months you were on here. If that isn't a dead give away I don't know what is. As far as ego maniac goes, every post you've made is a small book in itself. You can't just answer a question with a straight forward answer. You have to right a small book and show every one else how smart you are and how dumb we are if we don't understand you.

You could have given your evaluation of singers method in one or two sentences, but instead you were up to a book on that as well. Take a technical writing class and learn your audience, then start writing responses and starting threads that the average person can understand. Because i'll give you a clue, most of the people on this board are average people.


How friendly, do you really have to be so nasty? You couldn't find a decent way to make your point? Most of the average people know how to behave......
Here's the most important reason why Frank made the right decision not to finish the evaluation. Because whatever the outcome would have been....this is the kind of respons one could expect from Singer when he doesn't like the outcome:

Recent Singer posts:
"Let's first look at some facts before the opining starts.

1. That record-shattering thread about his intention clearly stated he was reviewing my "system" - which is what he chooses to call the SPS. However, the hacks on LVA, once the initial shock of his cancellation wore off, are now of course claiming that the strategy wasn't in need of reviewing. Alanleroy showed just how blind the geniuses over there can be by saying (in paraphrased form): "Singer plays games that already are in favor of the casinos, then he makes further -EV plays which can do nothing but make him lose even MORE money". Naturally this is pure BS made by someone so far out of touch with SPS that he had to put on his "I hate Singer" hat in order to spew such nonsense.

Example: In SDBP I'm dealt KK887 and the "optimal play" is to hold the 2 pr. What do I do? I hold the K's only, because four of them pay 600 credits - which is usually enough to send me home a winner. And it happens, just like other FH's happen as well as any of a number of other smaller winners happen. It simply gives you an opportunity for the big win. Hold the KK88 like the paranoid AP's would hold? You have a 4/47 chance of getting that killer FH, and you are guaranteed to at least get a push. Big whoop. That may be enough for most players but it neither impresses me nor gives me the opportunity for a 600-credit win. What alanleroy is trying to say is that I'm getting slightly less EV for that one hold, and if I were to make that play a million times into infinity I would show negative results from doing so. What's lost here is that it is indeed only ONE PLAY--here and now--and anything can happen at any time. It is not the value of the hand you HOLD that counts--it's the value of the FINAL OUTCOME OF THAT HAND that means everything.

Lurkerposter, if I were like Frank and I could quote Shakespeare, I'd be able to accurately portray the amount of P-A-I-N you're sufferring after learning of the termination. Your distressed and rambling posts that flow from your fingertips truly does explain why you had to take on yet another alias to continue trying to scratch that itch called Rob Singer that'll never go away. Ask arci!

Then we have the usual rants of arci, who if we could see a picture of him as he read about the cancellation, we would certainly all have a renewed sense of what anger is all about. His non-stop "the math is the math is the math" is probably only surpassed by the amount of praying he does these days.....

Frank is a unique individual--nearly all intellect and he is self-taught. His problem inasmuch as it relates to his effort to evaluate my play strategy, is in his belief that nothing can possibly be real unless it was in theory form first. In other words, since I did not put out a mathematical theory when I developed my play strategy, it is of little to no value, and the fact that I've netted almost a million dollars in profit from using it over the years is insignificant and ultimately, meaningless to those of his persuasion. It always gets back to the same advantage player copout: negative EV games will, over time, yield losing results; positive EV games will, over time, yield winning results. These people just cannot grasp the concept that it is possible to win all the time on -EV games, because no one ever plays them enough to ever reach anything even close to being "the long term". So the word "theory" is and remains to be only a "theory" that can never be realized by any one player.

Over the course of his eval, because the strategy was so complex to comprehend and how it is an ACTUAL STRATEGY and not some silly theory, he changed over to evaluate ME instead--which was a massive mistake given how much greater my life experience has been compared to his. Theory ended for me when I left the classroom and began actually living my life with all types of personalities all over the world. Frank seems to have never LEFT that classroom.

The whole thing backfired, but I remain willing to explain the entire strategy in detail to Frank as time permits after we get back from our family vacation here in a cabin on Lake Tahoe.

Snidely, I do believe there is hope for you yet. So many of you really like to talk about SPS as if you know it, but no one is even close to being correct. And yes, that includes arcimedes, regardless of the amount of lies and misrepresentations he tells thinking he's impressing every one of you over and over again."

And another fresh Singer post:
"Update: After reading the latest of several RS-related threads over on LVA about this subject, I have the following comments and observations:

Enter thlf (a known anonymous RS critic who's always found solace in hiding behind his computer rather than actually facing me in a debate--not at all unlike the best of the best Singer-hating BS'ers in LV btw) who said he remained silent throughout the entire thread hoping to read the results of the evaluation of SPS. Here I have to give him credit. You'll notice that as soon as the thread began arci got upset and rattled that this was going down, claiming he already knew everything about everything and portraying how much smarter than Frank he was anyway. Minimalize the evaluator.....part of arci's game probably throughout his entire business and personal life. After all, NO ONE can ever be thought of as being able to either prove him confused, wrong, of being a better and more skilled debater, or of simply having even a little more upstairs than he. Imagine living with that?

So thlf showed irritation and disappointment at Frank's quitting the eval. Who can blame him when all this hoopla preceeded what was to be an in-depth review on the most famous and intriguing video poker strategy in history? And this is more than likely the same feelings experienced by most of the other members who post and who don't post, on LVA. Why? Well, first off, anyone who doesn't experience luck and then immediately take the money home is a vp loser lifetime - which includes 99.99% of all players. Then, you've seen all too often how the self-proclaimed "AP's" either claim they win win win or give the impression they do. Yet these same people often call me a fraud and a liar over my reported profitting of nearly a million dollars using my play strategy. Their reasoning? Other than the usual envy of course, since these people regularly LOSE even though they say and really feel they only play when they have that make-believe "theoretical edge" over any casino they go into, it is incomprehensible to their psyche that someone actually DOES win at the game of video poker. And to win SO MUCH....SO OFTEN, USING only negative EV games along with special holds that go against what they want but what the casinos most definitely do not want the player to make, hit, and leave? Now you see why they always turn debates WITH ANYONE ANYWHERE ABOUT IT into name-calling sessions, and why they just can't stand being taken out to the woodshed by me time and time again.

So instead of missing Frank's amateurish evaluation on my state of mind or maybe how I put corn into my mouth and what that would mean to the Romans or how Drunkyard's Walk would interpret it, go ahead and ask him to actually do a review on what he said he would do--my play strategy. Or how about he do a report on the tremendously powerful aspects of the 2009 Corvette ZR1 I have stored in Casa Grande, Az. waiting for my 5 year old grandson to turn 21. Or maybe he could just ask to meet my family and do a report that would show what would absolutely horrify my critics: that I'm a video poker player who has actually been very happily married for over 33 years with two successful children and four beautiful grandchildren, and that we're financially set for the rest of our lives. Oh, and I'm not an alcoholic, I have never smoked the cancer sticks, I've never been in any trouble of any kind, I've always been in the best shape for my age group throughout my life, and that I've met and talked to the three most important athletes and/or role models in my life: Muhammed Ali, Larry Bird, and Al Kaline.

Now wouldn't ANY of those be a much more interesting read than reading a RS psycho-analysis by someone who's sky high Mensa IQ spits out theoretical evaluations that have nothing to do with my famously successful play strategy?"


Well, I guess this is it. We can all return to everyday life now.
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