The new health care law, how's it working??

https://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2010/February/23/GOP-1993-health-reform-bill.aspx

Their bill did not pass but was nonetheless proposed and sponcered (like I said) in 1994. AMong some of the communist members that sponcered it: Orin Hatch, Bill Cohen, Richard Lugar, Alan Simpson, Ted Stevens, Bob Bennet...and the guy Republicans ran against Clinton in 1996 - BOB DOLE.

Note that many of these same people are still in the Senate today (or during the healthcare fight of 2008)but now refer to the mandate as unconstituional. They came to that conclusion exactly 24 hours after the current president won the election.

Conclusion: Either Orin Hatch is a pinko commie....or you have been duped by right wing propoganda for the last 2 years.

I'm not sure I would have used the word 'implement', as you did, in describing this. That implies that it was passed and was up and running, as I'm sure you would agree. Clearly that didn't happen. And one of the four remaining sponsors of that bill in the Senate, Bennett, was probably given what-fer based partially on those (as a Republican would say) RINO-like tendencies.

FWIW, that bill had 21 GOP sponsors, and 2 Dem sponsors. It was the Republican response to the HillaryCare bill that would otherwise have forced an employer mandate, which would have made America far less competitive globally and cost us jobs, as I'm sure you'd agree.

The fact remains that this (current) bill is probably unconstitutional, based on that mandate. There's no precendent that says Congress can force a citizen to engage in commerce, as part of their constitutional mandate to regulate it. And I understand that the 'free-rider' effect needs to be addressed - but personally, I hate the idea of forcing someone to buy something, just, well, 'cause. What's next? Can Congress constitutionally mandate every American to be forced to buy a car, just because the car companies need stimulatin'? Would that be constitutional in the eyes of a reasonable person?

If so, does the 10th Amendment mean anything anymore?

anyway, this will get decided in the frontal lobes of Justice Kennedy, when the time comes. It would be nice if we could just cut to the chase and ask the guy what he thinks.

Mail, my understanding is that the hospital usually racks up the bill if they know your insurance status. In my instance, they knew EXACTLY my status far before I received a bill.

Actually insurance companies generally get a much lower price than the “Cash” price.

shlomo -

You tell um! I want a Supreme Court ruling that says individuals can never be forced to buy private insurance, which will pave the way for the government solution.

I've heard it both ways Mail, insurance companies pay according to their own rules it seems.

However, being a former insurance agent, there ARE various forms reguarding what one pays for what proceedures.....

"“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it . . ."
__House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi (D) CA

Well, . . . most of The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act referenced by Ms. Pelosi has yet to be implemented, but people are beginning to find out what is in it, . . . like, f'rinstance, physicians.
And many don't seem to care for it:
"40% of physicians said they would drop out of patient care in the next one to three years, either by retiring, seeking a non-clinical job within healthcare, or by seeking a non-healthcare related job."
Ref: The Physicians Foundation

If these physicians were to follow through, DonDiego wonders how the remaining 60% will think about their chosen occupation when everybody in the country demands more and better care, as their right.
It's a puzzlement.

Actually, it did happen when Mitt ROmney implemted the bill as Governor of Massachusetts where it is currently law of the land. Of course he thinks the bill he implemented is now unconstituional too. He's going to have fun explaining that one to his base for his 2012 run.

I DO wonder exactly why one needs to pass a 2,000+ page bill in order to find out what it does....

On a lighter note:

I did pay about $13.00 more for 1/2 of a pill today. I went from 40mg to 60mg for my blood pressure meds and it runs $56.00 for a 60 day supply. At least my water pill runs $4.00 for the same number of days.

"Actually, it did happen when Mitt ROmney implemted the bill as Governor of Massachusetts where it is currently law of the land. Of course he thinks the bill he implemented is now unconstituional too. He's going to have fun explaining that one to his base for his 2012 run"

The Mass plan is bankrupt as costs are higher than expected and revenue is lower than expected. Romney can say that he tried a plan that sounded good in theory but in reality it didn't work out.

Kinda like the federal plan, both useless. Of course since NO ONE actually read the bill or really knows what's in the damn thing, it could be far worse than anyone thinks.