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The new health care law, how's it working??

Don
Don
Jan 4, 2011
7:07am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Romney can say that he tried a plan that sounded good in theory but in reality it didn't work out.
Yes, Governor Romney can say that, . . . but he'd be somewhat disingenuous were he to do so.

Most of the failings of RomneyCare were predictable and predicted, . . . they presage the failings of Obamacare, if it is ever fully implemented.
F'rinstance:
"The Bay State is . . . suffering from what the Massachusetts Medical Society calls a 'critical shortage' of primary-care physicians. As one would expect, expanded insurance has caused an increase in demand for medical services. But there hasn't been a corresponding increase in the number of doctors. As a result, many patients are insured in name only: They have health coverage but can't find a doctor."

Ref: The Wall Street Journal
discostu
discostu
Jan 4, 2011
7:18am
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Whether people like it or not you can always go for bankruptcy. That is a viable option. Working in the health care field this is what I see happening with hospitals....they jack up prices and then get cut big time from joining networks. Now someone has to cover it and that would be the person paying cash. The problem goes so many levels deeper than is even being touched.

Statins for cholesterol is not the answer in a majority of the cases.
same goes with....
...insulin for diabetes
...synthetic thyroid meds (like synthroid) for thyroid problems
...ritalin and such for adhd and add problems

There are more. Maybe if we didn't win the world cup of fat people on a regular basis. Maybe...
shlomo
shlomo
Jan 4, 2011
7:49am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: shlomo
I'm not sure I would have used the word 'implement', as you did, in describing this. That implies that it was passed and was up and running, as I'm sure you would agree. Clearly that didn't happen.


Actually, it did happen when Mitt ROmney implemted the bill as Governor of Massachusetts where it is currently law of the land. Of course he thinks the bill he implemented is now unconstituional too. He's going to have fun explaining that one to his base for his 2012 run.


No offense, but you couldn't be more wrong. The fact that a state can constitutionally pass an Obamacare-style law has NO BEARING on what the feds can do. None.

God, I wish liberals would read the constitution once in awhile...
cjen
cjen
Jan 4, 2011
7:49am
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I'm employed and do have insurance. I pay $10 for 90 generic statins meds and $15 for 180 generic HBP meds. The trick is not to use my insurance. Other wise it would cost me twice that amount. The pharmacist tipped me off to that, told me not to tell the pharmacy I have insurance.

One negative on the health reform is I can not use my flex spending to pay for over the counter drugs.

MoneyLA
MoneyLA
Jan 4, 2011
8:14am
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I dont want to get into the politics of health care. I just want to say that I think it is a crime that our government spends so much money preparing to blow up people, and blowing up people, but cant spend more money keeping its citizens healthy. please note I said "citizens."
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jan 4, 2011
8:18am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Romney can say that he tried a plan that sounded good in theory but in reality it didn't work out.
Yes, Governor Romney can say that, . . . but he'd be somewhat disingenuous were he to do so.

Most of the failings of RomneyCare were predictable and predicted, . . . they presage the failings of Obamacare, if it is ever fully implemented.
F'rinstance:
"The Bay State is . . . suffering from what the Massachusetts Medical Society calls a 'critical shortage' of primary-care physicians. As one would expect, expanded insurance has caused an increase in demand for medical services. But there hasn't been a corresponding increase in the number of doctors. As a result, many patients are insured in name only: They have health coverage but can't find a doctor."

Ref: The Wall Street Journal


The new health care law is far more fiscally sound than the system it replaced (the system Republicans are trying to revert too)....which is why the GOP made an exception to their new pledge for all legislation to be deficit neutral...that pledge doesn't apply to repealing the health care law. (It also doesn;t apply to their precious tax cuts for Billionaires - but I digress). Despite this fact, I've decided not to hold my breath and wait for any tea partiers to put on their Halloween customes and protest outside John Boehner's office.

And whether or not the new law is 100% deficit neutral is a completely independant argument from its "Constituionality".



chefantwon
chefantwon
Jan 4, 2011
8:33am
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From what I understand, the Feds can't make anyone buy a specific product. However, they DO get around that little pesky thingy by making certain Federal monies available IF certain conditions are met by the states. Hence the car insurance mandate states require of their citizens.

Most written documents have enough loopholes in them to make the paper written on them look like swiss cheese. That's one of the reasons there is a fight on how to interpet the Constitution. The loosest possible one allows for better ways of getting around any rules. Where as a strict one makes it much harder to subvert the system. Of course this doesn't totally discount folks trying their own agenda.....

The founders were FAR smarter than most folks give them credit for. Otherwise, things would be WAAAAAY more screwed up than they are.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jan 4, 2011
8:35am
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Originally posted by: shlomo
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: shlomo
I'm not sure I would have used the word 'implement', as you did, in describing this. That implies that it was passed and was up and running, as I'm sure you would agree. Clearly that didn't happen.


Actually, it did happen when Mitt ROmney implemted the bill as Governor of Massachusetts where it is currently law of the land. Of course he thinks the bill he implemented is now unconstituional too. He's going to have fun explaining that one to his base for his 2012 run.


No offense, but you couldn't be more wrong. The fact that a state can constitutionally pass an Obamacare-style law has NO BEARING on what the feds can do. None.

God, I wish liberals would read the constitution once in awhile...


Are you referring to the US Constituion or the one that belonged to the Confederacy? State laws do not trump Federal laws in our book. If Massachusetts can demand people buy into a healthcare system so can the Federal government.
chefantwon
chefantwon
Jan 4, 2011
8:50am
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NOT when it comes to crossing state lines, PJ. The Consitution does NOT allow the feds to dictate what products people have to buy.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jan 4, 2011
8:59am
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
NOT when it comes to crossing state lines, PJ. The Consitution does NOT allow the feds to dictate what products people have to buy.


You better tell that to Republicans because thats precisely at the heart of their Healthcare Reform package - a system that allows people to buy accross state lines. Perhaps someday they'll send their healthcare reform package to the CBO to be scored for its level of fiscal responsibility...I wont hold my breath on that one either.
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