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NFL players

billryan

Mar 21, 2011
4:15am

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Originally posted by: jatki99

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Originally posted by: forkush
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
...We are the ones paying these fools and all they want is more money...
Oh, you must be referring to the owners. Because it's the owners - literally - who are holding out for more money. The players association and the owners negotiated an agreement a few years ago, and it's the owners who are now saying they had their fingers crossed while doing so. Hence a lockout, NOT strike.

The players association isn't asking for a penny more than the current agreement.

Of course leave it to forkie to take the socialistic view. Bullsh!t the players dont want a penny more, they want a WHOLE LOT more. They want the owners books opened and paid more if the owners make more on certain deals. I know its more complicated than that, but its how i perceive it.

J

You are, quite simply, wrong. The owners are asking the players to take pay cuts. They want to cut the players share of revenue down to 50%, from its current level of 58%. Every player offer has been to either retain the current level or to take a little less if the owners raise their contribution to the NFL pension plan.
The owners want these pay cuts dispite making record revenues last year. They claim that some teams are losing money. The players said show us your books if you are losing money, and so far the owners have refused.
Owners want to enlarge the pie and increase their share of it at the same time. Players want to keep their share of the increasing pie.
If a court said to play next year under the now expired agreement, players would do so in a heartbeat, without asking for a nickle more. Owners won't do that.
If there is anything remotely socialistic about the NFL, it is the way the owners divide up revenues so that the worst team gets the same amount of revenue from television as the good teams. A team like Washington might be featured on two national broadcasts but gets the same revenue as a team like New England that is on ten national broadcasts. A team that doesn't make the playoffs gets the same revenue as the team that wins the Super Bowl.
How about having fans in Dallas help pay for the Giants new stadium? How much of their season ticket cost went to Dallas's share of the $600 million the NFL gave the Giants to build their stadium?

MisterPicture

Mar 21, 2011
4:29am

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Originally posted by: snidely333
I think the key word you missed is "not".

Nope, it's right in there, ninth word from the left. Of course I'm assuming you directed your comment at me. I think the key button you missed was "Quote."

MisterPicture

Mar 21, 2011
4:33am

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Originally posted by: jatki99

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Originally posted by: forkush
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
...We are the ones paying these fools and all they want is more money...
Oh, you must be referring to the owners. Because it's the owners - literally - who are holding out for more money. The players association and the owners negotiated an agreement a few years ago, and it's the owners who are now saying they had their fingers crossed while doing so. Hence a lockout, NOT strike.

The players association isn't asking for a penny more than the current agreement.

Of course leave it to forkie to take the socialistic view. Bullsh!t the players dont want a penny more, they want a WHOLE LOT more...J

How much more, jatki? If you're statement is true, you'll provide all of us with a number. If not, you'l just resort to the usual name-calling. We'll see.

pjstroh

Mar 21, 2011
4:48am

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The NFL is probably the least worthy of scorn of all professional sports regarding its funding and players contracts. MLB Baseball is probably the worst. Football is the only sport where a city the size of Green Bay can compete with big cities like New York.

I'm optimisitic about the season next year. So far it looks like alot of posturing with no meat behind it. There is no incentive to reach agreement until after the draft. Between now and then I expect alot BS rheotric and not much else. The owners aren't about to throw away a season of revenue over the petty crap thats on the table right now.

chefantwon

Mar 21, 2011
8:20am

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Originally posted by: billryan

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Originally posted by: chefantwon
J, you have it right on the head. We are the ones paying these fools and all they want is more money. If most of those folks were smart to hire someone who knew how to invest instead of one of their friends, maybe they might have something left when their playing time is done. The NFL is filled with stories of former players on the street because they were too dumb to invest all that money wisely.

The average fan pays upwards of $500 just to see a 3 hour game. Where are OUR rights? I would like to see a NFL game, but its more than likely I won't due to the outrageous cost of everything.

The average ticket price league-wide in 2009 was just over $75. SEVENTY FIVE dollars, not $500.
Few clubs increased their ticket prices last year, so the 2010 average won't be much higher.
The average NFL career lasts under three years and the majority of people who are NFL alumni have made under a million dollars in their football career.

Brill, the typical NFL fan doesn't go by him/herself. Add in drinks and food and your spending $200 at least. (for 2 people) Got $200 you want to just throw away for 3 hours???

snidely333

Mar 21, 2011
9:31am

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Originally posted by: forkush

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Originally posted by: snidely333
I think the key word you missed is "not".

Nope, it's right in there, ninth word from the left. Of course I'm assuming you directed your comment at me. I think the key button you missed was "Quote."

You know what happens when you assume.

billryan

Mar 21, 2011
10:07am

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Originally posted by: chefantwon

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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
J, you have it right on the head. We are the ones paying these fools and all they want is more money. If most of those folks were smart to hire someone who knew how to invest instead of one of their friends, maybe they might have something left when their playing time is done. The NFL is filled with stories of former players on the street because they were too dumb to invest all that money wisely.

The average fan pays upwards of $500 just to see a 3 hour game. Where are OUR rights? I would like to see a NFL game, but its more than likely I won't due to the outrageous cost of everything.

The average ticket price league-wide in 2009 was just over $75. SEVENTY FIVE dollars, not $500.
Few clubs increased their ticket prices last year, so the 2010 average won't be much higher.
The average NFL career lasts under three years and the majority of people who are NFL alumni have made under a million dollars in their football career.

Brill, the typical NFL fan doesn't go by him/herself. Add in drinks and food and your spending $200 at least. (for 2 people) Got $200 you want to just throw away for 3 hours???

Not to belabor the point, but your typical NFL fan sits on his couch or a barstool and watchs the games for free.
My family has had Giants season tickets since the 1950s, or possibly earlier. I go to fewer and fewer games as I get older. Giants tickets cost about the same as Yankee tickets, only they play once a week, eight times a year, not eighty one times a year. I remember when the best seats were $14. Now they are $700. As few teams don't sell out, I'll go out on a limb and say enough people do have the spare money to go to NFL games. In NY, the teams had little trouble selling out their $5,000 a seat PSLs, but couldn't sell as many $25,000 ones as they had planned for. Our four seats went from $135 a game to $700 a game and $100,000 in PSLs. We simply downgraded our seats and got the people we traded with to pay our $5,000 a seat PSL as part of the trade. They ended up with great seats, an we got much worse ones in the deal.

hoops2

Mar 21, 2011
10:14am

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The Packers are the only publicly held team and in 2009 they had net income of $5m on $260m in revenue or about 2 cents for every dollar of revenue. They sell out every game and are in the top five of merchandise sales.

Using the Pack as a benchmark one would have to think that teams such as the Bills, Bengals, Raiders, Bucs and Panthers are losing money. There are probably another half dozen including the Packers squeaking by.

billryan

Mar 22, 2011
12:55am

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Nobody knows, because the teams choose not to show their books. When you can be shown to have recieved record revenues, I think you need to produce some evidence if you want to claim you are losing money.
The value of an NFL franchise has increased greatly over the last decade, only taking a small hit now that the season is in jeopardy.
Texans cost $700 million and are now valued at over a billion. Redskins cost $800 million are are valued at 1.1 billion. Even if the owners only broke even each season, thats a pretty good return on the intial investment.
Al Davis paid something like $250,000 for the Raiders, now valued at a billion dollars. The Tisch family paid $80 milion for the share of the Giants, that share is worth more than $500 million today.

chefantwon

Mar 22, 2011
3:21am

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Originally posted by: billryan
Nobody knows, because the teams choose not to show their books. When you can be shown to have recieved record revenues, I think you need to produce some evidence if you want to claim you are losing money.
The value of an NFL franchise has increased greatly over the last decade, only taking a small hit now that the season is in jeopardy.
Texans cost $700 million and are now valued at over a billion. Redskins cost $800 million are are valued at 1.1 billion. Even if the owners only broke even each season, thats a pretty good return on the intial investment.
Al Davis paid something like $250,000 for the Raiders, now valued at a billion dollars. The Tisch family paid $80 milion for the share of the Giants, that share is worth more than $500 million today.

I don't know or even care what the Bengals are worth, only that Mike Brown needs to get off his a$$ and spend some money for some talent. I about had a heart attack when he picked up Plamer, Johnson (Chad), and TJ. How the hell he held on to those 3 for as long as he did was unreal. There's one owner who needs to get a clue and spend some of that freaking money he covets, and buy us a freaking superbowl. Hell, even Tampa has won one and we have been to more superbowls than they have.

Here in the Cincy area we do like our championships and we don't mind paying for a few more.

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