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The Obama Internet

Tutontow

Feb 27, 2015
6:15am

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Originally posted by: chefantwon

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I'll ask again. HOW CAN ANYONE HERE STATE WHAT IS IN THE PLAN WHEN THE FCC WON'T REVEAL ITS CONTENTS UNTIL AFTER THEY VOTE ON IT?

ObeyMe was all for FCC regulations transparency concerning changes to the regulations when he was a Senator. What changed?

Notwithstanding these efforts, many Members of Congress argued the Commission should be even more transparent. At a September 2007 public hearing in Chicago, Senator Obama submitted a statement that he “strongly requested” the FCC “put out any changes that they intend to vote on in a new notice of proposed rulemaking.” A month later, in a letter to Chairman Martin, Senator Obama argued that both the “proposed timeline and process are irresponsible.” He specifically noted while a certain proposal “may pass the muster of a federal court, Congress and the public have the right to review any specific proposal and decide whether or not it constitutes sound policy. And the commission has the responsibility to defend any new proposal in public discourse and debate. The following month Senator Obama cosponsored bipartisan legislation to block the Commission’s vote on the rulemaking, pursuant to a 90-day comment period.

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Obummer lied... He lied about health care, he lied about Iraq, He lied about being transparent. Obama has lied from day 1 and will continue until the day he leaves office....

I agree he lied and every politician who has ever been elected has lied. We all lie and politicians do it more than anyone, otherwise they would never get elected and nothing would ever get passed in congress.

Tutontow

Feb 27, 2015
6:27am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: malibber2
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Silly Alan doesn't even understand the basic facts of the situation.
The FCC passed final rules based on public comments that wouldn't allow these companies to fundamentally change the way that the Internet had worked since it went public like they wanted to.

So the Federal Government has decided to fundamentally change the way that the internet works in order to avoid fundamentally changing the way the Internet works. Silly Alan.

No Alan and I think you know that. The industry is the one that purposed rules to fundamentally change the way the internet works. (killing their prior agreements) All purposed Federal Regulations have a comment period. When the final rule is passed the government has to take in account comments. That is what happened here. People demanded that not only should industry friendly pro-discrimination rules not be passed, but that service providers should be treated like utilities. This is exactly how the FCC made the rule and that is how the system is supposed to work.

Actually I think it's more like Netflix, Google, Facebook and Twitter lobbyists and PR campaign were better than Verizon, Comcast, and ATT lobbyists. That's how Washington really works you know. And you also know darned well that this policy was written and signed off on by an army of lawyers well before a single public comment...

Nope, more than likely several member of congress were tired of "House of Cards" looking like shit on the their T.V.'s thanks to Netflix being throttled by Verizon.

I know I was damned tired of wasting my time trying to figure out why my 50 MB connection couldn't steam Netflix worth a damn. I must have spent hours trying to troubleshoot it and then I read in my paper that Verizon is in a pissing contest with Netflix. Who suffers, me the consumer.

Netflix has already tried to play nice with the big boys by offering to provide them with its own CDN which is called Open Connect but Verizon and Comcast wouldn't hear of it. They would rather make the consumer suffer until Netflix paid the shakedown money.

malibber2

Feb 27, 2015
7:05am

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Alan the lobbyists from Comcast, Verzion, and Time Warner had already won the day. They had the captive regulatory situation they wanted and an FCC chairman that introduced their hand crafted regulations twice. Trouble is they got greedy and then John Oliver came along and got the public engaged.

The FCC, FCC Chairman and even Obama had to go along with them. To ignore the public comments would make a sham of the entire Federal Regulation process. For those of you that say Obama didn't release the bill before he passed it you are flat wrong. The bill was released it was the one Verizon and the rest of these corporate crooks wanted. It was changed by the public comments. That is how federal regulation as opposed to a law that goes through congress works.

You would think after the first attempt didn't go over well the industry would have backed off pushing the issue, but no spurred on by pure greed they just applied a little luntzen turd polish, renamed the thing "fast lanes" and resubmitted the regulation. In a sense they took a loaded shot gun pointed it at their own balls and pulled the trigger. I find the results hilarious.

I do feel for them though they are in a business that is best case a cash cow and likely in decline. How will they keep their promises to stockholders of unending growth when the only innovation they can deliver now is creative billing and bribing government officials to regulate their competitors out of business?

Tutontow

Feb 27, 2015
7:33am

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You would think after the first attempt didn't go over well the industry would have backed off pushing the issue, but no spurred on by pure greed they just applied a little luntzen turd polish, renamed the thing "fast lanes" and resubmitted the regulation. In a sense they took a loaded shot gun pointed it at their own balls and pulled the trigger. I find the results hilarious.

I do feel for them though they are in a business that is best case a cash cow and likely in decline. How will they keep their promises to stockholders of unending growth when the only innovation they can deliver now is creative billing and bribing the government officials to regulate their competitors out of business?

I too find it hilarious. Verizon can see the glory days are just about over. They can see that the internet boom and the cable TV boom are on the way out. They are getting out of both businesses.

The world has become dependent on the internet in more than one way. Anyone who thinks it doesn't need to be regulated hasn't been paying attention.

chefantwon

Feb 27, 2015
8:30am

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Originally posted by: Tutontow

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You would think after the first attempt didn't go over well the industry would have backed off pushing the issue, but no spurred on by pure greed they just applied a little luntzen turd polish, renamed the thing "fast lanes" and resubmitted the regulation. In a sense they took a loaded shot gun pointed it at their own balls and pulled the trigger. I find the results hilarious.

I do feel for them though they are in a business that is best case a cash cow and likely in decline. How will they keep their promises to stockholders of unending growth when the only innovation they can deliver now is creative billing and bribing the government officials to regulate their competitors out of business?

3 years ago I was working in a call center and our largest customer was Time Warner. We hawked tv to people in New York city for about 6 months and was simply amazed on the amount of people that used the internet to watch shows. The dodo has come and the hunting season will be over forever as cable tv will soon be joining the dodo.

malibber2

Feb 27, 2015
9:33am

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Originally posted by: chefantwon

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You would think after the first attempt didn't go over well the industry would have backed off pushing the issue, but no spurred on by pure greed they just applied a little luntzen turd polish, renamed the thing "fast lanes" and resubmitted the regulation. In a sense they took a loaded shot gun pointed it at their own balls and pulled the trigger. I find the results hilarious.

I do feel for them though they are in a business that is best case a cash cow and likely in decline. How will they keep their promises to stockholders of unending growth when the only innovation they can deliver now is creative billing and bribing the government officials to regulate their competitors out of business?

I too find it hilarious. Verizon can see the glory days are just about over. They can see that the internet boom and the cable TV boom are on the way out. They are getting out of both businesses.

The world has become dependent on the internet in more than one way. Anyone who thinks it doesn't need to be regulated hasn't been paying attention.

And that is a big part of what was going on. They were trying to recapture customers that already passed on their services by making other companies' service unusable and trying force the government to deal them in as a middle man between the transactions of those other companies and their customers. I watch most of my TV on the computer now via Hulu, Amazon and Netflix. It is just more convenient.

chafraho

Feb 27, 2015
10:06am

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Me? I'm just glad that somebody told me that I had a problem with the internet or internet providers. I'm thankful that the government has decided the best solution for the problem I didn't know I had until the government handled it. I'm so thankful that the bureaucracy is looking out for me so that I don't have to make any informed choices. Without these types of regulations, I would have to think, evaluate my options and make decisions. That might be really bad. All I really need now is for some type of legislation or regulation to tell me if making my own choices for my reasons is good or bad. I'll probably stress myself out until that happens, if that's alright with you.