Vegas Free-for-All - The Obama Internet

The Obama Internet

Boilerman

Feb 24, 2015
4:37pm

It's impossible to say exactly what will go wrong, but it's certain develop into an inefficient, bureaucratic expensive mess. Eventually the government will tell us what we can do on the net, and how we can do it.

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The intentions will be good. The outcome will be bad.

Can you articulate your oppossition ? Or is it enough to opposse something because Democrats support it?

Boilerman

Feb 24, 2015
4:46pm

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
It's impossible to say exactly what will go wrong, but it's certain to develop into an inefficient, bureaucratic expensive mess. Eventually the government will tell us what we can do on the net, and how we can do it.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The intentions will be good. The outcome will be bad.

Can you articulate your oppossition ? Or is it enough to opposse something because Democrats support it?

alanleroy

Feb 24, 2015
6:30pm

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What we're not getting is: a government telling us what sites we can visit

Not yet anyway. But look at what exactly the FCC does. It controls what you can see on broadcast television. It controls what you can hear on radio. It controls what can be done with Satellite and Cable. Once you've declared Internet Service Providers to require regulation as PUBLIC Utilities, it's not that far of a slip down the proverbial slope to start controlling some Internet content....in the public interest of course....really it isn't .

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(What we're not getting is...) a magically created and funded government agency....

If PJ thinks the FCC newly regulating a multibillion dollar industry is not going to need any funding or new bureaucrats he has no concept about how Government really works.

thats right ... the FCC doesn't allow corporations the freedom to show child pornagraphy on tv....or allow ISIS to air a recruitment infomercial....and now they will prevent your cable internet to interfer with your Netflx account.
Thanks for fucking up Alan's world, Obama.

I know how government works, Alan. Moreover i actually have the integrity to cite and discuss actual policy instead of making up fairy tales about the boogey man. Thats clearly a bridge to far for you. But, hey, its a NET-neutral world now. I support your right to post nonsnse on this board and i dont think your ISP should block it

Is PJ's ISP blocking him from visiting web sites and he has no alternative? I'm shocked he hasn't complained about this egregious violation of his basic human right to the Internets. Has anyone's ISP been blocking them from visiting web sites and they have no alternative?

Blah blah blah....Bigger Government Please..Blah Blah Blah...More regulations because business is evil...Blah Blah Blah....The real issue is bringing Internet Service Providers under the control of the Federal Communications' Commission. It's about the CONTROL, not todays relatively benign policies. The tax code started off as a single page. Now its up to 72,000. Does anyone really believes this is where it ends for the FCC and the Internet? We're headed in the wrong direction on this. The Internet isn't broken, but the Federal Government is going to fix for you anyway....Like they fixed Amtrak and the Post Office....And the Tax Code.

pjstroh

Feb 24, 2015
8:41pm

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Netflix files complaint against Comcast for throttling

historical incidents of isp's blocking, capping, throttling content of competitors and opponents

Shhh! Dont tell alanleroy. He insists the net-neutrality policy addresses a problem that doesnt exist

Don

Feb 24, 2015
9:58pm

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I know how government works, Alan. Moreover i actually have the integrity to cite and discuss actual policy instead of making up fairy tales about the boogey man.

crimethink: n. 1. The crime of having unorthodox or unofficial thoughts (thoughtcrimes); 2. To even consider any thought not in line with the principles of Ingsoc. Doubting any of the principles of Ingsoc. All crimes begin with a thought. So, if you control thought, you can control crime. "Thoughtcrime is death. Thoughtcrime does not entail death, Thoughtcrime is death....The essential crime that contains all others in itself."

alanleroy is clearly guilty of crimethink. He requires rehabilitation.

"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
Winston Smith - 1984, Part 3 Chapter 6

pjstroh

Feb 24, 2015
10:19pm

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I know how government works, Alan. Moreover i actually have the integrity to cite and discuss actual policy instead of making up fairy tales about the boogey man.

Straw man : a weak or imaginary argument or opponent that is set up to be easily defeated

Both Alanleroy and DonDiego are guilty of murdering a straw man comprised of IngSoc's imaginary government agency that chooses what internet sites one may visit. No worries, though - its not illegal to lie on a message board. Its just dishonest. I'm simply performing a public service by pointing it out.

Boilerman

Feb 24, 2015
10:31pm

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Can PJ name a government program which hadn't evolved into something that it was promised to never become? You might consider beginning with Social Security.

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I know how government works, Alan. Moreover i actually have the integrity to cite and discuss actual policy instead of making up fairy tales about the boogey man.
crimethink: n. 1. The crime of having unorthodox or unofficial thoughts (thoughtcrimes); 2. To even consider any thought not in line with the principles of Ingsoc. Doubting any of the principles of Ingsoc. All crimes begin with a thought. So, if you control thought, you can control crime. "Thoughtcrime is death. Thoughtcrime does not entail death, Thoughtcrime is death....The essential crime that contains all others in itself."

alanleroy is clearly guilty of crimethink. He requires rehabilitation.

pjstroh

Feb 24, 2015
10:38pm

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Can PJ name a government program which hadn't evolved into something that it was promised to never become? You might consider beginning with Social Security.

I bet I could ... but I fail to see the relevance considering there is no new "government program" being instantiated here. Add Boilerman to the list of people on this thread pointing to a strawman, Orwellian internet agency.

Don

Feb 24, 2015
10:49pm

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. . . - its not illegal to lie on a message board.

Not yet !

The point is there are actually folks who support the regulations about to be imposed before they know what they are.

There is now, apparently, some disagreement among the 3 FCC-panel-members likely to vote for increased Government regulation, as to the scope of the new regulations.
Ref: The Hill
Two days before they plan to implement an entirely new set of rules governing the Internets, and they don't know what they plan to implement ! This is nuts ! NUTS !

Nonetheless, DonDiego supposes the folks who have already supported the regulations before they know what they were will now support the changes to the proposed regulation before they know what they are.

jphelan

Feb 24, 2015
10:52pm

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Will net neutrality bring broadband Internet service to Eskimos in their igloos in the Arctic Circle? I don't know because I cannot read the proposal.

Will net neutrality bring government filtering and slower service? I don't know, but quite possibly it will because it has already happened elsewhere in the world (i.e. China, Saudi Arabia, and Europe).

Will net neutrality bring higher speed internet to more people for lower cost? I don't think so - because there is no very little profit motive for a regulated monopoly and we saw this with the telephone and postal service globally.

Will net neutrality finally give me internet service that does slow down net flix? You can have this now in many locations in the US with Business grade internet service. That is what companies do - they pay more for a higher grade of service! You can get this now - but you need to pay for it. High bandwidth users like Netflix will congest consumer grade internet services until there is either A) more bandwidth which is not possible without more investment or B) less users - not likely is if costs are kept low.

The bottom line with any service is you get what you pay for.....and if you want more that what is provided for the "base" fee, you need to pay more.

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