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Originally posted by: forkushVThe leading GOP candidate for president at the moment tried to criminalize public protests in Wisconsin. Talk about a radical extremist.

Isn't that the same guy who espouses FDR's views on collective bargaining for Government Employees? Radical Extremist indeed. See how easy this spin business is? And for the record, I would not consider voting for either of those guys.

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I am aware that Google is a big beneficiary of Democratic corporate cronyism.

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Well, the Google PAC did give over 3/4 of a million to Obama. And that's just what is on the record.



Republican too. They play both sides of the fence just to be safe.
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushVThe leading GOP candidate for president at the moment tried to criminalize public protests in Wisconsin. Talk about a radical extremist.

Isn't that the same guy who espouses FDR's views on collective bargaining for Government Employees?
And FDR's view of our armed forces was that they should be racially segregated. So comparing the leading Republican to one position held by a Democrat 75 years ago does not make Governor Walker moderate, or even moderately conservative.

Walker's criminalizing public protest in the public square? Radical.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushVThe leading GOP candidate for president at the moment tried to criminalize public protests in Wisconsin. Talk about a radical extremist.

Isn't that the same guy who espouses FDR's views on collective bargaining for Government Employees?
So comparing the leading Republican to one position held by a Democrat 75 years ago does not make Governor Walker moderate, or even moderately conservative.

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Just like comparing current Republican candidate's positions to one or two positions held by a Republican 30 years ago must not make them radical either. I'm glad you're coming around to seeing the error of your spin.

I wonder how many of the current crop of democrats agree with FDR's stance on collective bargaining for government employees. Damn Radical Extremists.

Why don't we just look at each issue in detail and especially look for some paths forward that most people agree is a good direction.? Well intentioned people can do that....sometimes. Simply calling the other team "Racist, Paranoid, Dishonest Cowards' and hoping those 2 second sound bites stick with some voters is no way to go through life....unless that's really how you want to roll.


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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushVThe leading GOP candidate for president at the moment tried to criminalize public protests in Wisconsin. Talk about a radical extremist.

Isn't that the same guy who espouses FDR's views on collective bargaining for Government Employees?
So comparing the leading Republican to one position held by a Democrat 75 years ago does not make Governor Walker moderate, or even moderately conservative.
Just like comparing current Republican candidate's positions to one or two positions held by a Republican 30 years ago must not make them radical either...
Reagan is from about 30 years ago, Roosevelt from about 70. Reagan is the patron saint of modern day Republicans, but it's hard to think of anyone who calls himself a "Roosevelt Democrat." And these days, President Reagan would be utterly disqualified from GOP consideration because of more than "one or two positions," right?

And criminalizing public protest is radical. And disgraceful.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And criminalizing public protest is radical. And disgraceful.

Oh. Like the 2010 bill signed into law by president Obama (and supported by Republicans and Democrats) that according to (your fellow liberal and lover of liberty) Jeanine Molloff "potentially makes peaceable protest anywhere in the U.S. a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison." That kind of criminalizing public protest?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanine-molloff/trespass-bill_b_1328205.html

But I don't think the 2016 election should be about some red herring permit to protest legislation....or insults or personal attacks or calling your opponents Radicals or Phobic or Extreme or Cheats or Crooks. It should be about the real issues that face real Americans....And the real plans candidates put forward to solve those issues....and you can't make a case in a single sentence....or dismiss an opponent with a wave of your hand.

Then again...it's been proven time and time again that negative politics works. I just hope voters start to see it for what it is and send a message.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And criminalizing public protest is radical. And disgraceful.

Oh. Like the 2010 bill signed into law by president Obama (and supported by Republicans and Democrats) that according to (your fellow liberal and lover of liberty) Jeanine Molloff "potentially makes peaceable protest anywhere in the U.S. a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison." That kind of criminalizing public protest?...
Nope. The kind of protests Walker criminalized bear no resemblance to the one's specified in that law.

But you knew that.
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And criminalizing public protest is radical. And disgraceful.

Oh. Like the 2010 bill signed into law by president Obama (and supported by Republicans and Democrats) that according to (your fellow liberal and lover of liberty) Jeanine Molloff "potentially makes peaceable protest anywhere in the U.S. a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison." That kind of criminalizing public protest?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanine-molloff/trespass-bill_b_1328205.html

But I don't think the 2016 election should be about some red herring permit to protest legislation....or insults or personal attacks or calling your opponents Radicals or Phobic or Extreme or Cheats or Crooks. It should be about the real issues that face real Americans....And the real plans candidates put forward to solve those issues....and you can't make a case in a single sentence....or dismiss an opponent with a wave of your hand.

Then again...it's been proven time and time again that negative politics works. I just hope voters start to see it for what it is and send a message.



Too much common sense Alan, it just confuses forky since he lacks any, or is incapable of comprehending it. Then again maybe he just doesn't want to understand. Seems he's only interested in trying to smear anybody not a liberal dem.
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
But I don't think the 2016 election should be about some red herring permit to protest legislation....or insults or personal attacks or calling your opponents Radicals or Phobic or Extreme or Cheats or Crooks. It should be about the real issues that face real Americans....And the real plans candidates put forward to solve those issues...
Oh you mean like:

  • Immigration amnesty?
  • Raising capital gains taxes?
  • Liberalizing abortion rights?
  • Mandating higher auto emissions standards?
  • Expanding Medicaid?
  • Committing to the separation of church and state?
  • Raising the ceiling on Social Security tax deductions?
  • Raising the gas tax?
  • Opposing anti-gay laws?
  • Raising the debt ceiling multiple times?

    I consider the above "real issues," how about you? And what would modern-day Republicans call someone who advocated for the above? A big-spending, tax-raising tree-hugging, amnesty-loving, Godless, big-government socialist.

    I'd call him President Reagan.
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    Originally posted by: forkushV
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    Originally posted by: alanleroy
    But I don't think the 2016 election should be about some red herring permit to protest legislation....or insults or personal attacks or calling your opponents Radicals or Phobic or Extreme or Cheats or Crooks. It should be about the real issues that face real Americans....And the real plans candidates put forward to solve those issues...
    Oh you mean like:

  • Immigration amnesty?
  • Raising capital gains taxes?
  • Liberalizing abortion rights?
  • Mandating higher auto emissions standards?
  • Expanding Medicaid?
  • Committing to the separation of church and state?
  • Raising the ceiling on Social Security tax deductions?
  • Raising the gas tax?
  • Opposing anti-gay laws?
  • Raising the debt ceiling multiple times?

    I consider the above "real issues," how about you? And what would modern-day Republicans call someone who advocated for the above? A big-spending, tax-raising tree-hugging, amnesty-loving, Godless, big-government socialist.

    I'd call him President Reagan.

  • None of those are phrased as a current issue. Pick one, tell us what your best plan is to fix it now. Then I'll tell you what mine is...and we can look at the Republican candidates....and the Democratic Candidates.

    I think you'll find the Republicans don't all agree on everything like you want to smear them...and I don't think we'll find many truly extremist radicals on any major topic and I certainly don't think either ticket will feature an extremist paranoid coward....at least not compared to extremist radical cowards in any historical context .

    And you'll probably find that most people will be convinced that some of my ideas are better than the Democrats or Republicans. Then we can take the best ideas of ours and theirs and submit it to the 'Help Fix The Country Contest'. Political discourse. It's better than mud slinging.

    I wish one election the candidates and their minions would focus on what they were going to do rather than how fucked up their opponents are..... If the truth be known most democrat and republican political office holders are assholes who make their living pandering for money and power. All this other noise about 'Extremist, Radicals' is just character assassination. That's ok. The other side does it too. No. It's not ok. It's just how you roll right now.

    So what topic do you wish to discuss in excruciating detail? Immigration? Abortion? Taxes? Gay Rights? The Debt? Regulations? Climate Change? Income Inequality? Fiscal and Monetary Policy? Economic Growth? Environment? Poverty? Education? Crime? Election Reform? Healthcare? Terrorism? Show us your plan. Make your case. Hey we can even speculate on what Historical Political figures would back in the context of today....and draw imaginary fantasy extremist/radical lines over the range of ideas.

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