Obama Planning to invade Texas and turn WalMarts into FEMA Camps

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
But I don't think the 2016 election should be about some red herring permit to protest legislation....or insults or personal attacks or calling your opponents Radicals or Phobic or Extreme or Cheats or Crooks. It should be about the real issues that face real Americans....And the real plans candidates put forward to solve those issues...
Oh you mean like:

  • Immigration amnesty?
  • Raising capital gains taxes?
  • Liberalizing abortion rights?
  • Mandating higher auto emissions standards?
  • Expanding Medicaid?
  • Committing to the separation of church and state?
  • Raising the ceiling on Social Security tax deductions?
  • Raising the gas tax?
  • Opposing anti-gay laws?
  • Raising the debt ceiling multiple times?

    I consider the above "real issues," how about you? And what would modern-day Republicans call someone who advocated for the above? A big-spending, tax-raising tree-hugging, amnesty-loving, Godless, big-government socialist.

    I'd call him President Reagan.

  • None of those are phrased as a current issue. Pick one, tell us what your best plan is to fix it now. Then I'll tell you what mine is...and we can look at the Republican candidates....and the Democratic Candidates.

    I think you'll find the Republicans don't all agree on everything like you want to smear them...and I don't think we'll find many truly extremist radicals on any major topic and I certainly don't think either ticket will feature an extremist paranoid coward....at least not compared to extremist radical cowards in any historical context .

    And you'll probably find that most people will be convinced that some of my ideas are better than the Democrats or Republicans. Then we can take the best ideas of ours and theirs and submit it to the 'Help Fix The Country Contest'. Political discourse. It's better than mud slinging.

    I wish one election the candidates and their minions would focus on what they were going to do rather than how fucked up their opponents are..... If the truth be known most democrat and republican political office holders are assholes who make their living pandering for money and power. All this other noise about 'Extremist, Radicals' is just character assassination. That's ok. The other side does it too. No. It's not ok. It's just how you roll right now.

    So what topic do you wish to discuss in excruciating detail? Immigration? Abortion? Taxes? Gay Rights? The Debt? Regulations? Show us your plan.


    I'll give you mine in a nutshell.

    -Immigration, enforce the damn laws that are on the books now. Nobody that's here illegally should be given a path to anything except back home. It's so completely unfair to the ones who waited and are waiting to immigrate LEGALLY. I'm good friends with a girl who met, fell in love, bla blah blah with a guy from France. They just now were able to get married, he had to jump through so many hoops to be able to be here legally, let alone get married. It's been about 5 yrs I believe.

    -Abortion, I think for the most part it's morally and ethically repugnant, especially when used as a birth control method(I met a girl once who screwed anyone and everyone and she had already had like 5 abortions, it was pretty disgusting). I am aware of what happens when it's illegal, back alley "doctors", women trying to self abort, messy business. So you can put me in the pro-choice camp (certainly not pro-abortion, if that makes sense).

    -Taxes, I would actually love to see the elimination of the IRS as it stands today and make a national sales tax along with a flat tax with perhaps three tiers. No deductions, no credits, nothing. Say maybe a 10, 20 and maybe 33%. I just kinda pulled those numbers out of the air, but get the picture, of simplifying it all.

    -Gay rights, I'm not a fan of gay marriage(that is a thing that can and should only be between a man and a woman, it's one of nature's laws), but I full on agree that civil unions should be recognized and allowed. It comes with all the same rights, benefits, etc., so what's the big deal?

    -Debt, I think there should be a balanced budget amendment. Or Buffets idea for a law that says "anytime the deficit rises above 3% of GDP all sitting members of congress are ineligible for re-election".

    -Regulations, I dunno, I'm not a science computer guy!

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    Originally posted by: jatki99



    I'll give you mine in a nutshell.

    -Immigration, enforce the damn laws that are on the books now. Nobody that's here illegally should be given a path to anything except back home. It's so completely unfair to the ones who waited and are waiting to immigrate LEGALLY. I'm good friends with a girl who met, fell in love, bla blah blah with a guy from France. They just now were able to get married, he had to jump through so many hoops to be able to be here legally, let alone get married. It's been about 5 yrs I believe.

    -Abortion, I think for the most part it's morally and ethically repugnant, especially when used as a birth control method(I met a girl once who screwed anyone and everyone and she had already had like 5 abortions, it was pretty disgusting). I am aware of what happens when it's illegal, back alley "doctors", women trying to self abort, messy business. So you can put me in the pro-choice camp (certainly not pro-abortion, if that makes sense).

    -Taxes, I would actually love to see the elimination of the IRS as it stands today and make a national sales tax along with a flat tax with perhaps three tiers. No deductions, no credits, nothing. Say maybe a 10, 20 and maybe 33%. I just kinda pulled those numbers out of the air, but get the picture, of simplifying it all.

    -Gay rights, I'm not a fan of gay marriage(that is a thing that can and should only be between a man and a woman, it's one of nature's laws), but I full on agree that civil unions should be recognized and allowed. It comes with all the same rights, benefits, etc., so what's the big deal?

    -Debt, I think there should be a balanced budget amendment. Or Buffets idea for a law that says "anytime the deficit rises above 3% of GDP all sitting members of congress are ineligible for re-election".

    -Regulations, I dunno, I'm not a science computer guy!

    I was suggesting we just pick one....because it's too hard to solve all the world's problems here....and it should be up to Forkush. Today's Mudslinger's choice.

    You know he's going to recite his version of Reagans policys again. I'll betchya.
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    Originally posted by: jatki99
    You know he's going to recite his version of Reagans policys again. I'll betchya.

    Forkie the 'Reagan Republican' Socialist Extremist.


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    Originally posted by: alanleroy
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    Originally posted by: jatki99
    You know he's going to recite his version of Reagans policys again. I'll betchya.

    Forkie the 'Reagan Republican' Socialist Extremist.


    HA! Forgot a piece, "Reagan republican socialist extremist hack".

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    Originally posted by: jatki99
    You know he's going to recite his version of Reagans policys again. I'll betchya.


    His Version? You mean Reagan didn't do any of those things? Or support any of those policies?

    There is a massive chasm between Ronald Reagan, the historical figure, and Ronald Reagan, the cartoon character right wingers carry around on their shoulders.
    Jatki makes some good points , but we would need to keep the IRS as a tax collection agency, although with a simplified system the IRS loses much of it's power.

    I think we should keep the IRA/Roth/401k tax breaks, plus personal exemptions, along with charitable deductions. Mortgage & real estate taxes maybe. Capital gains and losses should be taxed as ordinary income. The tax code should not exceed 100 pages & the tax return 2 - 4 pages.
    Maybe Forkie can recite the economic conditions when Reagan took office?

    Maybe Forkie can recite the interest rate when Reagan took office?

    Maybe Forkie can recite the total number of active duty troops when Reagan took office?

    Reagan was portrayed far differently back in the 1980's......link

    As well as our lot with the Cold War.....link

    Somebody forgetting their history are they?
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    Originally posted by: chefantwon
    Maybe Forkie can recite the economic conditions when Reagan took office?...
    Apparently I've confused you, which let's face it, isn't hard to do.

    Reagan was a right-winger, and his trickle-down economy promise has turned out to be one of the great lies of the twentieth century, hasn't it? But on the subjects of abortion, gay rights, Social Security tax hikes, amnesty, the environment, separation of church and state, and raising the debt ceiling (18 times!), Reagan is practically a leftist compared to just about any of the likely GOP candidates.

    Anyone holding Reagan's positions on a host of issues wouldn't even be invited by Fox News to participate in the debates. Does anyone argue that?

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    Originally posted by: chefantwon
    Maybe Forkie can recite the economic conditions when Reagan took office?

    Maybe Forkie can recite the interest rate when Reagan took office?

    Maybe Forkie can recite the total number of active duty troops when Reagan took office?

    Reagan was portrayed far differently back in the 1980's......link

    As well as our lot with the Cold War.....link

    Somebody forgetting their history are they?


    Gotta remember also that there wasn't an overwhelming wave of illegal immigrants pouring over the border then. Terrorism wasn't a huge concern either, not as much as it is today anyway. You are correct it was a different era back then.

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