Obamacare & The Supreme Court - Round 2

All old poor malibber knows is he got an automated call from his Obamacare provider today. It seems one particular medication I am on has a lifetime limit (I thought those were no longer allowed) on benefits and I have reached it. Another $250 a month out of pocket for me for the foreseeable future despite having already satisfied my yearly out of pocket max. Way to go Obama. If your on Obamacare pray that you never develop a chronic condition on it.

On the upside my family doc ordered two CT scans. I am hopeful that will end up costing screw shield 10k. I have decided to spend the rest of the year getting each and every test and treatment my doctor recommends. Maybe I can ring up 250k worth of covered charges.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: jphelan
I hope the Supreme Court reads the Obamacare Legislation before rendering a decision. That would put them head and shoulders ahead of the legislators who voted for this legislation.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
The Republicans bring a lawsuit to the Supreme Court to destroy Obamacare. But if they succeed...it's Obama's fault! Classic.
“Hypocrite: The man who murdered his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan.” - Abraham Lincoln

Poor old DonDiego is disappointed.

DonDiego respectfully requests a rational, non-partisan discussion of the issue before the Supreme Court, . . . the legality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, . . . and the ramifications of the Supreme Court decision, whatever it may be...
So you want ramifications. Here ya go:




Kinda hard for Obamas voting base to pay more in taxes when they are on foodstamps...
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Originally posted by: forkushV
alanleroy, could you PLEASE inform me of something? What is the Republican plan?

You'd have to ask a Republican to get the answer to that. I don't think they have a plan except repeal, start over and blame the Democrats for anything that goes wrong. That's no plan in my book.

I don't think the Democrats have a plan to fix our still broken healthcare system either.

They behave like:

A. It's already fixed
B. It's the Republicans problem now.
C. The Republicans screwed it up in the first place
D. Why change it when your crony profiteer buddies are cleaning up on it?
E. All of the above.

Just throw all the bums out. The current ones aren't getting the job done.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy



You may pretend ACA 'fixed' our broken healthcare system. It did insure more people. It did cover pre-existing conditions. It did make some improvements that most people support. That could have been done with a few paragraph amendment to existing law.


Sentence in BOLD is utter BS.


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Originally posted by: alanleroy

Your response reeks of 'Well it's better than it was'. My point is that it's no where near good enough and we should demand both parties work together to fix it. Maybe they'll get their opportunity.

Democrats have been pushing to make the law better since it was passed. The other party has demanded we go back to the train wreck we had before. So while AlanLeroy pretends the debate is something other than it is - reality continues to reign supreme in the real world where real bodies in government have voting records to demonstrate their positions on issues.

Republicans have never once attempted to work to make Obamacare better. And they've never voted to wipe Obamacare clean and replace it with "a few paragraphs to existing law". They've voted 50+ times to go back to the Stone Ages. And throughout all of it we've had to listen to Alan's nauseating narration of bi-partisan dysfunction in Washington. Democrats moved us forward and have advocated we build onto that progress further. Republicans want no part of it. Thats not my opinion. Thats a summary of health care voting in Congress since 2009



Pj forgets that the Democratic party are the ones who passed the law without debate as they "had to pass the law to find out what was in it". Now those same idiots who could not be bothered to read the damned legislation want to blame republicans for a portion of it going away?





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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
You may pretend ACA 'fixed' our broken healthcare system. It did insure more people. It did cover pre-existing conditions. It did make some improvements that most people support. That could have been done with a few paragraph amendment to existing law.


Sentence in BOLD is utter BS.


It most certainly is not utter BS.

Let's just start with one selling point of the ACA...Perhaps THE KEY SELLING POINT....That people could not be turned down for an Individual Health Insurance Policy because of a Pre-Existing Conditions.

Perhaps you didn't realize that the 1996 HIPPA law required the vast majority of health insurance policies to cover pre-existing conditions....only that law applied to Group Health Insurance....Not Individual Policies. That could have been fixed by changing two sentences:
1. Require companies that offer group health insurance plans to also offer individual plans.
2. Apply all of the Group Health Insurance HIPPA requirements to Individual Policies as well.

Did we really need two thousand pages for that?

Of course you may say "But AlanLeroy, the 2000 Page ACA did far more than address Pre-Existing Conditions". And I'll say to you our Canadian Neighbors Provided Universal Coverage to their citizens with a 12 page law...In English and French. We should have had a real national debate on it....With real competing plans...including single payer. Then maybe a national referendum...with a message to congress to do the will of the people.

Off my soapbox.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroy


Liberals wanted a much simpler single-payer program, with something like a buy-in to our very efficient national socialized health insurance program known as Medicare.

?


Forky's fantasy of efficient Medicare plan has a fraud rate of about 10% and an unfunded liability of several trillion





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Originally posted by: malibber2
All old poor malibber knows is he got an automated call from his Obamacare provider today. It seems one particular medication I am on has a lifetime limit (I thought those were no longer allowed) on benefits and I have reached it. Another $250 a month out of pocket for me for the foreseeable future despite having already satisfied my yearly out of pocket max. Way to go Obama. If your on Obamacare pray that you never develop a chronic condition on it.

On the upside my family doc ordered two CT scans. I am hopeful that will end up costing screw shield 10k. I have decided to spend the rest of the year getting each and every test and treatment my doctor recommends. Maybe I can ring up 250k worth of covered charges.


Wow.. no kidding Mal? so sorry to hear that. I thought lifetime limits were banned under the ACA also, doesn't seem to jibe with what we've been told. What a complete screw job. I don't blame you one bit, I would ask for every single kind of test as well. CT scans, w and w/o contrast, throw in an MRI or two in there too, those aren't cheap( I know). Shoot, get on dialysis, if you start home hemo, it's 80K just to get the machine brought to your house. I won't even go into all the support, training and supplies costs to get rolling on it.. That's all on Medicare currently, fortunately I also have secondary insurance so we never have to pay anything, well usually anyway.

If the Obamacare law violates the Constitution, do any of you wish that the court ignore this truth and still vote in support of Obamacare?
Would an odd concept.


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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Perhaps they should have read the law before they passed the law.


This is a crazy thought. How about folks who consume a service or good pay for that service or good?


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Originally posted by: malibber2
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
I hope it is struck down and is taken as a grand opportunity for a bipartisan effort to inject the law with smart improvements to really address medical costs. I've gone through a litany of ways that could cut costs in half and won't repeat them here...let's just say there's a lot of room for improvement.

Republican and Democrat working hand in hand to make a better tomorrow for us all. That's what I'm hoping for.


Alan, I think you have been smoking something. Republicans control both the House and Senate it will be up to them to come up with something to fix it. It took them several years to come up with an alternative to Obamacare and after years of work they quickly withdrew it after people pointed out their plan would result in a massive tax hike for the middle class and working poor.

They have had more than a year to come up with a replacement plan if the Plaintiffs win this case. They have been unable to do so because not enough Republicans can even agree on a proposal to put forward. We can't get to the part about talking about a bi-partisan solution because Republicans can even agree on a starting point proposal.

As far as lowering costs have you read the part of the TPP that was just leaked that deals with healthcare? It would prevent any future Congress from formulating ways to cut Prescription Drug costs. It also contains a provision allowing pharmaceutical companies "evergreen" patents which means no more generic drugs.

My legal analysis of the case leads me to conclude there is about a 60% chance that the subsidies part of Obamacare will be repealed. The Court would be well within its rights to say it is not our responsibility to fix a typographical error it is up to Congress. Contrary to Don Diego’s premise that it is up to Obama Justice Scalia said it should be up to Congresses to fix it. I would expect any ruling would include language saying as much.

If the subsidies die will it be the end of the world? No – in the states that Medicaid has been expanded people will be able to simply drop their income down enough to qualify for Medicaid. In a way it is the perfect set up for the 2016 election. Republican’s destroy the part of Obama care that utilizes private health insurance companies which leaves the only real solution being a Medicare for all type of program.


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