Obamacare & The Supreme Court - Round 2

Given the cost that is a crazy idea and in a nutshell this is the problem with health insurance. It all has sky high out of pocket costs and the government has to pay subsidies so people can afford the premiums. In other words it is mathematically impossible to make work.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
This is a crazy thought. How about folks who consume a service or good pay for that service or good?


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Originally posted by: malibber2
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
I hope it is struck down and is taken as a grand opportunity for a bipartisan effort to inject the law with smart improvements to really address medical costs. I've gone through a litany of ways that could cut costs in half and won't repeat them here...let's just say there's a lot of room for improvement.

Republican and Democrat working hand in hand to make a better tomorrow for us all. That's what I'm hoping for.


Alan, I think you have been smoking something. Republicans control both the House and Senate it will be up to them to come up with something to fix it. It took them several years to come up with an alternative to Obamacare and after years of work they quickly withdrew it after people pointed out their plan would result in a massive tax hike for the middle class and working poor.

They have had more than a year to come up with a replacement plan if the Plaintiffs win this case. They have been unable to do so because not enough Republicans can even agree on a proposal to put forward. We can't get to the part about talking about a bi-partisan solution because Republicans can even agree on a starting point proposal.

As far as lowering costs have you read the part of the TPP that was just leaked that deals with healthcare? It would prevent any future Congress from formulating ways to cut Prescription Drug costs. It also contains a provision allowing pharmaceutical companies "evergreen" patents which means no more generic drugs.

My legal analysis of the case leads me to conclude there is about a 60% chance that the subsidies part of Obamacare will be repealed. The Court would be well within its rights to say it is not our responsibility to fix a typographical error it is up to Congress. Contrary to Don Diego’s premise that it is up to Obama Justice Scalia said it should be up to Congresses to fix it. I would expect any ruling would include language saying as much.

If the subsidies die will it be the end of the world? No – in the states that Medicaid has been expanded people will be able to simply drop their income down enough to qualify for Medicaid. In a way it is the perfect set up for the 2016 election. Republican’s destroy the part of Obama care that utilizes private health insurance companies which leaves the only real solution being a Medicare for all type of program.



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Originally posted by: malibber2
As far as lowering costs have you read the part of the TPP that was just leaked that deals with healthcare? It would prevent any future Congress from formulating ways to cut Prescription Drug costs. It also contains a provision allowing pharmaceutical companies "evergreen" patents which means no more generic drugs.
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This TPP is beginning to sound like it's as big a clusterfuck as Obamacare....full of juicy perks for corporate donors....can't read the bill....developed in secrecy.... That's just wrong. If it's so good for the country, put the text out there and lets debate it.

Why do we have to pass a separate TPA bill to fund job re-training for displaced workers if the TPP does not eliminate jobs?
Obama and friends pass an unconstitutional law, and Forkie wants to place blame elsewhere. You're a funny man!


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Originally posted by: forkushV
The Republicans bring a lawsuit to the Supreme Court to destroy Obamacare. But if they succeed...it's Obama's fault! Classic.

“Hypocrite: The man who murdered his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan.” - Abraham Lincoln



So, if this law is truly in violation of the Constitution, does Forkie still wish that America puts the law into practice? It's really not a difficult question to answer.



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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
If the Obamacare law violates the Constitution, do any of you wish that the court ignore this truth and still vote in support of Obamacare?
King v. Burwell has nothing to do with the constitutionality of Obamacare. Go have someone to explain it to you, and then we can continue this chit chat.


Can Boilerman tell us what Constitutional Ammendment is being challenged by the Bureell lawsuit? And then can he tell Burwell?
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkushV
alanleroy, could you PLEASE inform me of something? What is the Republican plan?

You'd have to ask a Republican to get the answer to that. I don't think they have a plan except repeal, start over and blame the Democrats for anything that goes wrong. That's no plan in my book.

I don't think the Democrats have a plan to fix our still broken healthcare system either...
Liberals do, and we've had one on the table since Harry Truman.

It's single payer, you know, just like Canada and just like the incredibly efficient Medicare. And liberals even offered a compromise incremental way to get there, with optional public options and Medicare buy-ins. But "centrist" conservative Democrats like Senators Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson killed that, didn't they? That's a shame.

So you're saying the Democrat Congress and President gave us the Healthcare Law nobody wanted....except Lieberman and the Republicans...who have attacked it ever since it was passed. Yeah. That's a fail.

I don't have a clue if this law is Constitutional or not. I suspect, however, that most Liberals don't care.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Can Boilerman tell us what Constitutional Ammendment is being challenged by the Bureell lawsuit? And then can he tell Burwell?


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I don't have a clue if this law is Constitutional or not. I suspect, however, that most Liberals don't care.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Can Boilerman tell us what Constitutional Ammendment is being challenged by the Bureell lawsuit? And then can he tell Burwell?



Less than 24 hours ago you did know it was unconstitutional. You said this:
"Obama and friends pass an unconstitutional law, and Forkie wants to place blame elsewhere."

Perhaps you could explain to the other corner of your mouth what the definition of "Constitutional" is before it makes more embarrassingly ignorant statements

You know the GOP is in trouble when even FOX News doesn't buy into their BS regarding an Obamacare replacement.

Watch Paul Ryan explain his non-existant plan to an unimpressed Chris Wallace
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