Obamacare & The Supreme Court - Round 2

Yet PJ was predicatively inaccurate when making claims about my position on Obama's citizenship.

Bet PJ has not read the law nor does he have a copy saved on his pc.

Here's what I read, chef.

Granted its from an official government website and not a right wing blog page....so take this information with a grain of salt. But I have to tell ye. In the 6 years of using this as my source I've had a more accurate record of posting the content of the law than people like AlanLeroy, Hoops, or Boilerman...or you. So there's that.

chef, when have you guys ever been right about Obamacare?

Remember "Death Panels?"
Remember "Insurance Company Bailout?"
Remember "Job Destroyer?"
Remember "No one will sign up?"
Remember "No one will pay their premiums?"
Remember "It will cause the deficit to skyrocket?"
Remember "It will cover illegal aliens?"
Remember "Doctors will quit?"
Remember "Skyrocketing premiums in 2014?"
Remember "Skyrocketing premiums in 2015?"

...and so on. And now, pathetically, you guys are left to riffing about one quote from a politician about not reading the entire law. And incredibly, you actually think that's a REALLY strong point. Conservatives are weird.

Excellent post.

I would have added
Remember "Death Spiral?"
Remember "It's a Job Destroyer?"
Remember "Wait Times Will Skyrocket?"
Remember "Employers Will Cut Employee Hours?"

Obamacare's a jerry-rigged, patchwork system that won't last long. We'll replace it with single payer after a while.

But it's far superior to the miserable system that preceded it.

Obama A FEW MORE MONTHS--I'm SO EXCITED---Almost like a kid about 5 years old waiting on Santa on Christmas morning. Pray we don't get Hillary in the White House it would be like a Halloween night of horror. On the other hand no matter who gets in they will need a whole bunch of help and a ton of luck. Donald will handle Hillary down the road......

Remember

If you like your plan you can keep it
If you like your md you can keep your md
Your premiums will go down $2,500
Emergency room use will go down
Chilly's claim of a miserable system was supported by a majority of the country has been replaced by a system that almost 60% don't support

Deficits are projected to go back over $1t & many state exchanges are going broke

The real measures of the 'Affordable Care Act' are how much healthcare costs are reduced and how much the quality of healthcare has improved.

Before the Affordable Care Act, the US was spending a higher percent of GDP on Healthcare than any other industrialized nation. Before the Affordable Care act, the US was ranked lowest of our industrialized peers in terms of quality of care.

2010 Survey US Ranks Last

After the Affordable Care Act, the US is still spending a higher percent of GDP on Healthcare than any other industrialized nation. After the Affordable Care act, the US was ranked 11th out of 11 industrial nations in terms of quality of care.


2014 Survey US Ranks Last.

It's possible that all of the savings and improvements from the ACA have not filtered into the data yet, but if anyone expects our international rankings to change significantly based on the ACA I've got a bridge to sell you.

Per Capita Costs are essentially the same miserable incredibly expensive costs as before the ACA. Our international ranking is the same miserable incredibly poor ranking as before the ACA. We still spend more on healthcare and get less in return than virtually all our international peers. We still have 30 million uninsured.

We blew our best opportunity to really reform our healthcare system. Yet some are content to tout the incremental improvements of the ACA because...Politics. I guarantee those same people would be daily attack dogs had it been the other team that pushed through the exact same legislation.

It's nothing to be proud of. We need to fix it so Americans receive the best healthcare in the world....That's the Healthcare we are actually paying for. It would take the Democrats to admit it's still severely broken and the Republicans to actually bring some new ideas to the table. I won't hold my breath.

AlanLeroy is right about one thing (and only one thing). Our best big chance to reform healthcare was when Democrats held a super majority in Congress and owned the White House. Because the only way healthcare can be addressed in this country is when Democrats act despite Republicans kicking and screaming.

AlanLeroy is right about the law being nothing to be proud of if you believe:

- ending discrimination against sick people is no big deal
- making the eggregious practice of insurance recission illegal is no big deal
- giving healthcare access to 15 million more people is no big deal
- lower (free by 2020) prescription drug prices for seniors is no big deal
- alowing children to stay on their parents plans through college is no big deal
- free preventative care is no big deal (or of any cost benefit)
- free end of life care is no big deal (or any of any cost benefit)

Personally, I think you'd have to be purposefully obtuse to disregard all of those positives.

No liberal in Congress or the rest of AMerica believes the law solved all our problems. But the idea that progress should be ignored unless it goes all the way to the finish line is ...in my opinion....byeond ridiculous. Forgive me.

In the meantime while AlanLeroy preaches a desperate need for more cooperation between Republicans and Democrats what we really need is another super majority of Dems in the government. History proves thats the only way to move forward on healthcare reform

Far more people were guaranteed insurability via the Bipartisan HIPPA act than the ACA. That could have simply been amended to address most of the benefits PJ touts in the ACA. And "Free End of Life Care"? What fucking planet does that exist on? More false information coming from "predictably accurate when referencing the contents of the ACA" PJ.

30 Million people are still uninsured. We still have the most expensive and lowest ranked healthcare system compared to our wealthy peers. Does PJ think 'That's no big deal'? Dude, that IS the deal. Sure there are improvements from what we had. The turd has been polished. It's still a turd. And PJ loves his turd....because his party polished it.

Not only did the ACA not solve 'all our problems', it didn't really solve the most important ones...Cost, Quality and Universal Coverage. Progress isn't good enough when you started in last place and that's where you remain. PJ is happy in last place because we improved...slightly. Not me. I'd prefer to get what I actually pay for.