Obamacare Collapses In Alaska And Republicans Promptly Bail It Out.

Obamacare is collapsing under it's own weight & forky wants to replace with a form of the bankrupt Medicare system.
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Forkie, why not be accurate and concise. You will be happy when another wealth redistribution program is fully implemented...
Actually, just the opposite. I think the wealth redistribution program that's been going on for the last 35 years or so is bad for America and Americans.

Income earned by one has not been redistributed. Boiler pleasantly suggests that you try to keep up.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Forkie, why not be accurate and concise. You will be happy when another wealth redistribution program is fully implemented...
Actually, just the opposite. I think the wealth redistribution program that's been going on for the last 35 years or so is bad for America and Americans.




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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Income earned by one has not been redistributed.
In Republican low-taxes-for-the-wealthy states like Texas, the middle class can pay four times the TOTAL state and local tax RATE compared with the top 1%. That's income redistribution. And class warfare.

And when our laws allow businessmen like Donald Trump to enrich themselves while refusing to pay middle class workers and contractors, that is income redistribution.

And open trade pacts with countries like China redistribute income upward. Just ask Donald Trump.

And failing to index the minimum wage and the income threshold. And tripling the real dollar cost of tuition at public universities, making it impossible for a Millennials to finance their education by working their way through school. (Unlike the incredibly spoiled Baby Boomers.) And public domain condemnation for the benefit of corporate profits. And taxing earned income at a higher rate than investment income. And reducing the capital gains tax rate to zero on inherited assets. And the Fed being more concerned with inflation than with wage stagnation. And having laws that allow businessmen like Mitt Romney and Donald Trump to enrich themselves while declaring multiple bankruptcies.

You may have reasons to support some or all of the above, but you can't deny that they all redistribute income upward. Just look at 1980 to present. The game is rigged.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Income earned by one has not been redistributed.
In Republican low-taxes-for-the-wealthy states like Texas, the middle class can pay four times the TOTAL state and local tax RATE compared with the top 1%. That's income redistribution. And class warfare.

And when our laws allow businessmen like Donald Trump to enrich themselves while refusing to pay middle class workers and contractors, that is income redistribution.

And open trade pacts with countries like China redistribute income upward. Just ask Donald Trump.

And failing to index the minimum wage and the income threshold. And tripling the real dollar cost of tuition at public universities, making it impossible for a Millennials to finance their education by working their way through school. (Unlike the incredibly spoiled Baby Boomers.) And public domain condemnation for the benefit of corporate profits. And taxing earned income at a higher rate than investment income. And reducing the capital gains tax rate to zero on inherited assets. And the Fed being more concerned with inflation than with wage stagnation. And having laws that allow businessmen like Mitt Romney and Donald Trump to enrich themselves while declaring multiple bankruptcies.

You may have reasons to support some or all of the above, but you can't deny that they all redistribute income upward. Just look at 1980 to present. The game is rigged.
The beauty of living in a free republic is that we can vote with our feet. If you feel the tax laws of Texas are unfair then don't live in Texas. If you don't like the fact that the minimum wage isn't indexed then get your liberal state to make a $15.00 minimum wage and index it to inflation. Why haven't the Democrat states done that? If you're unhappy about the high cost of education then make your state legislature take more from the rich and give it to your state colleges. If you think wages and cap gains should be taxed at different rates then make your state level the playing field. If you aren't happy with the inheritance tax then your state can fix that with their own inheritance tax. If you want a socialist utopia, you can have it...in your state. Why aren't the Various Democrat State Legislatures hopping to action to implement your agenda? Once we all see how well it works in your state, maybe the rest of us will demand such a redistribution on our states too. Then if it doesn't work, it's only a fail for your state. That's the beauty of living in a free republic.

Figures lie and Forkie figures.....tax RATES are one thing. Tax DPLLARS PAID are something else. Forkie, do you want to pay the tax dollars of a wealthy guy or the tax rate of a wealthy guy?
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Income earned by one has not been redistributed.
In Republican low-taxes-for-the-wealthy states like Texas, the middle class can pay four times the TOTAL state and local tax RATE compared with the top 1%. That's income redistribution. And class warfare.

And when our laws allow businessmen like Donald Trump to enrich themselves while refusing to pay middle class workers and contractors, that is income redistribution.

And open trade pacts with countries like China redistribute income upward. Just ask Donald Trump.

And failing to index the minimum wage and the income threshold. And tripling the real dollar cost of tuition at public universities, making it impossible for a Millennials to finance their education by working their way through school. (Unlike the incredibly spoiled Baby Boomers.) And public domain condemnation for the benefit of corporate profits. And taxing earned income at a higher rate than investment income. And reducing the capital gains tax rate to zero on inherited assets. And the Fed being more concerned with inflation than with wage stagnation. And having laws that allow businessmen like Mitt Romney and Donald Trump to enrich themselves while declaring multiple bankruptcies.

You may have reasons to support some or all of the above, but you can't deny that they all redistribute income upward. Just look at 1980 to present. The game is rigged.
The beauty of living in a free republic is that we can vote with out feet. If you feel the tax laws of Texas are unfair then don't live in Texas. If you don't like the fact that the minimum wage isn't indexed then get your liberal state to make a $15.00 minimum wage and index it to inflation. Why haven't the Democrat states done that? If you're unhappy about the high cost of education then make your state legislature take more from the rich and give it to your state colleges. If you think wages and cap gains should be taxed at different rates then make your state level the playing field. If you aren't happy with the inheritance tax then your state can fix that with their own inheritance tax. If you want a socialist utopia, you can have it...in your state. Why aren't the Various Democrat State Legislatures hopping to action to implement your agenda? Once we all see how well it works in your state, maybe the rest of us will demand such a redistribution on our states too. Then if it doesn't work, it's only a fail for your state. That's the beauty of living in a free republic.



Only one problem..... that's a bunch of bullshit.

If you take all of the Federal dollars out of the low-tax for millionaires states then you'll be left with something that looks like Haiti. Next time you see highway, bridge, or airport being built in Mississippi be sure to thank a taxpayer in California.

Red state millionaires like their free shit and they've figured out how to make other states and lower income people in their state contribute the most to get it.

If you actually forced Red State America to abide by its own "every man for himself" philosophy their states would collapse.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Income earned by one has not been redistributed.
In Republican low-taxes-for-the-wealthy states like Texas, the middle class can pay four times the TOTAL state and local tax RATE compared with the top 1%. That's income redistribution. And class warfare.

And when our laws allow businessmen like Donald Trump to enrich themselves while refusing to pay middle class workers and contractors, that is income redistribution.

And open trade pacts with countries like China redistribute income upward. Just ask Donald Trump.

And failing to index the minimum wage and the income threshold. And tripling the real dollar cost of tuition at public universities, making it impossible for a Millennials to finance their education by working their way through school. (Unlike the incredibly spoiled Baby Boomers.) And public domain condemnation for the benefit of corporate profits. And taxing earned income at a higher rate than investment income. And reducing the capital gains tax rate to zero on inherited assets. And the Fed being more concerned with inflation than with wage stagnation. And having laws that allow businessmen like Mitt Romney and Donald Trump to enrich themselves while declaring multiple bankruptcies.

You may have reasons to support some or all of the above, but you can't deny that they all redistribute income upward. Just look at 1980 to present. The game is rigged.
The beauty of living in a free republic is that we can vote with our feet. If you feel the tax laws of Texas are unfair then don't live in Texas. If you don't like the fact that the minimum wage isn't indexed then get your liberal state to make a $15.00 minimum wage and index it to inflation. Why haven't the Democrat states done that? If you're unhappy about the high cost of education then make your state legislature take more from the rich and give it to your state colleges. If you think wages and cap gains should be taxed at different rates then make your state level the playing field. If you aren't happy with the inheritance tax then your state can fix that with their own inheritance tax. If you want a socialist utopia, you can have it...in your state. Why aren't the Various Democrat State Legislatures hopping to action to implement your agenda? Once we all see how well it works in your state, maybe the rest of us will demand such a redistribution on our states too. Then if it doesn't work, it's only a fail for your state. That's the beauty of living in a free republic.



Only one problem..... that's a bunch of bullshit.

If you take all of the Federal dollars out of the low-tax for millionaires states then you'll be left with something that looks like Haiti. Next time you see highway, bridge, or airport being built in Mississippi be sure to thank a taxpayer in California.

Red state millionaires like their free shit and they've figured out how to make other states and lower income people in their state contribute the most to get it.

If you actually forced Red State America to abide by its own "every man for himself" philosophy their states would collapse.
All I did was list a bunch of ways a Blue State can have income equality. Why don't the Democrats who run those states just do it and enjoy their socialist utopia....instead of bitching about Republicans...like PJ does? Last time I looked every state had the power to tax and spend money as they please...so get with the program Democrats. 80% on income over a million bucks! 60% Estate Tax! Capital Gains as regular income! $15 Minimum Wage...Indexed for inflation. Guaranteed minimum annual ncome for all! Stop blaming Republicans and show us how this will work for all of us! Yeah. Right. It's easier to just complain about those bad Republicans than to change one liberal state.

Heck if Democrats hadn't already spent all this time, effort and money on a new dysfunctional national health insurance plan, a big liberal State like California or New York could probably have their own Single Payer Health insurance program AND income equality. That is if their taxpayers don't vote with their feet.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Income earned by one has not been redistributed.
In Republican low-taxes-for-the-wealthy states like Texas, the middle class can pay four times the TOTAL state and local tax RATE compared with the top 1%. That's income redistribution. And class warfare.

And when our laws allow businessmen like Donald Trump to enrich themselves while refusing to pay middle class workers and contractors, that is income redistribution.

And open trade pacts with countries like China redistribute income upward. Just ask Donald Trump.

And failing to index the minimum wage and the income threshold. And tripling the real dollar cost of tuition at public universities, making it impossible for a Millennials to finance their education by working their way through school. (Unlike the incredibly spoiled Baby Boomers.) And public domain condemnation for the benefit of corporate profits. And taxing earned income at a higher rate than investment income. And reducing the capital gains tax rate to zero on inherited assets. And the Fed being more concerned with inflation than with wage stagnation. And having laws that allow businessmen like Mitt Romney and Donald Trump to enrich themselves while declaring multiple bankruptcies.

You may have reasons to support some or all of the above, but you can't deny that they all redistribute income upward. Just look at 1980 to present. The game is rigged.
The beauty of living in a free republic is that we can vote with our feet. If you feel the tax laws of Texas are unfair then don't live in Texas. If you don't like the fact that the minimum wage isn't indexed then get your liberal state to make a $15.00 minimum wage and index it to inflation. Why haven't the Democrat states done that? If you're unhappy about the high cost of education then make your state legislature take more from the rich and give it to your state colleges. If you think wages and cap gains should be taxed at different rates then make your state level the playing field. If you aren't happy with the inheritance tax then your state can fix that with their own inheritance tax. If you want a socialist utopia, you can have it...in your state. Why aren't the Various Democrat State Legislatures hopping to action to implement your agenda? Once we all see how well it works in your state, maybe the rest of us will demand such a redistribution on our states too. Then if it doesn't work, it's only a fail for your state. That's the beauty of living in a free republic.


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Forkie try it in your home state and come back in 10 years and tell us how it went.
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