Vegas Free-for-All - Obamacare Collapses In Alaska And Republicans Promptly Bail It Out.

Obamacare Collapses In Alaska And Republicans Promptly Bail It Out.

IndyBoilerman

Jun 16, 2016
2:01am

Utilizing "Liberal math", that amounts to a family savings of $2500.

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Getting back on topic, forky's favorite medical think tank - Kaiser, is saying that obamacare increases this year will be over 10%

forkushV

Jun 16, 2016
2:16am

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Peggy Joseph - 2008
Obama's Gonna Pay for My Gas

Peggy Joseph - 2014
There's No Place Like Utopia...
When DonDiego wants to highlight an Democratic embarrassment, he quotes some twit no one ever heard of. When I want to highlight an Republican embarrassment, I quote the Republican nominee.

I think my way is a bit more representative of your party, DD.
Ahh, . . . forkushV and poor old DonDiego differ. DonDiego supposes there are more Democrat embarrassments like the 2008 version of Peggy Joseph than there are citizen/showmen like Donald Trump...

I haven't kept count, but there are plenty of embarrassing, self-absorbed dipshits on YouTube from both parties. And some of them even advocate violence.

But for the Republicans, he's called the nominee.

forkushV

Jun 16, 2016
2:23am

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We can't and don't pay governmental expenses with a percentage, but instead these expenses must be with dollars. In Forkie's warped world, the rich guy paying $2 million per year in taxes isn't paying his fair share...

In Texas, the land of low taxes only if you're rich, a group of middle class families making the same combined amount as you're hypothetical rich guy would pay about $7.5 million. In dollars. You know, US currency.

When the middle class pays three or four times the total state and local tax rate of the top 1%, that's class warfare. The game is rigged.

forkushV

Jun 16, 2016
2:27am

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"And that means the average Obamacare premium increase for 2014-2017 will have been 4% per year"

That works out to a 5 yr cumulative increase of over 20%. We were promised a $2,500 cut. That means rates are about 30% higher than promised.

The average Obamacare subsidy was $276 per month.

Can you multiply by twelve hoops, or do you need help?

IndyBoilerman

Jun 16, 2016
2:30am

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Is the guy paying $2 million in taxes paying his way, and is he paying your way also?

How about Forkie pays his own way?

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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
We can't and don't pay governmental expenses with a percentage, but instead these expenses must be with dollars. In Forkie's warped world, the rich guy paying $2 million per year in taxes isn't paying his fair share...

In Texas, the land of low taxes only if you're rich, a group of middle class families making the same combined amount as you're hypothetical rich guy would pay about $7.5 million. In dollars. You know, US currency.

When the middle class pays three or times the total state and local tax rate of the top 1%, that's class warfare. The game is rigged.

hoops2

Jun 16, 2016
2:52am

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The top 1% currently fund 50% of the govt. forky doesn't think that is enough. How much should they fund?

A number of years ago the feds that it would be a good idea to put in a tax on luxury boats (however the their definition of luxury pricing was fairly low), thinking that the rich could afford it.

The rich stopped buying boats, the industry collapsed, putting thousands of middle class boat employees out of work. The tax was eventually cancelled and the industry came back

forkushV

Jun 16, 2016
3:13am

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The top 1% currently fund 50% of the govt...

I don't believe you. To get to that number, I'm sure you're excluding all kinds of taxes. But if you think you can back it up, go for it.

hoops2

Jun 16, 2016
3:36am

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We were told ALL insurance would go down; hasn't happened

Don

Jun 16, 2016
4:08am

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Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share?

Where Does All the Money Go?

When Does It All Come Tumbling Down?

Ref: federbalbudgetinpictures.com

Judgements of things like "fair share of taxes" and "appropriate apportionment of revenues" are somewhat subjective; everyone can make up their own mind.

But with respect to "When Does It All Come Tumbling Down?", . . . poor old DonDiego reckons round about 2030 or so.

forkushV

Jun 16, 2016
4:38am

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Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share?

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Gee, what happened to sales taxes. Oh, you're ultra-right-wing Heritage Foundation chart doesn't think they exist. And property taxes don't exist And state governments don't exist. And county governments don't exist. And city governments don't exist. And Social Security taxes don't exist. And Medicare taxes don't exist. And other payroll taxes don't exist.

As I said to hoops about his ridiculous claim, " To get to that number, I'm sure you're excluding all kinds of taxes." Nailed that one, didn't I?

And anyone who thinks the Adjusted Gross Income of the super-wealthy is anywhere near their actual income please raise your hands. And your IQ.

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