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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Nice rant. Of course if you're interested in facts, the ACA has never been viewed favorably by the majority of Americans.
And you didn't answer my question. Is this 'Death Spiral' business real or just made up bullshit? Are we not getting enough young/healthy people to sign up to make it viable? Should we be concerned that so many major insurers are walking away and most of the co-ops are bankrupt? Or is it really a rosy picture and not a big deal because there are others that will take their place?
And no...blah blah blah Romney or blah blah blah Kenyan is not a real answer.
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Originally posted by: pjstrohQuote
Originally posted by: alanleroyIIQuoteI guess it's just coincidence that the year the ACA was rammed through congress the Democrats suffered the biggest political losses in 70 years.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
That ain't going to happen...Because the Republicans don't want to lose the ACA as an issue and the Democrats don't want to admit there's a problem. Unfortunately that means these issues just continue to build up until it explodes. Same thing with the debt.
Having the ACA as an issue hasn't helped Republicans much with elections - certainly not with the popular vote.
What if they are right about the Death Spiral? All those failed Co-Ops...Major Insurers dropping the ACA like a hot potato? Are those real problems or not?
Yes...and obamacare is so widely hated that Republicans made the grandfather of that system their candidate in 2012 - while pretending he wasn't . But He lost. Badly. The man who implemented romneycare at th national level is currently enjoying one of the highest approval ratings of any presidents 7 years into his tenure. Because most people outside the FOX News bubble understand The ACA is better than the train wreck that came before it.
the governor of KY ran and won his campaign on rolling back Obamacare only to have his constituents demand he leave it alone once he took office. His huge overhaul of Obamacare ended up amounting to letting the Feds run it instead of his state. Amazing how an opinion can change when one is actually responsible for governing, isn't it?
its a pretty good blue print for what republicans would offer if they won the White House...and what Paul Ryan has Vaguely offered to date. What recent history and republicans have taught us is the single most hated attribute of Obamacare by far is....Obama. And when you learn that 40% of republicans believe he is an illegal immigrant from Africa you understand why
Nice rant. Of course if you're interested in facts, the ACA has never been viewed favorably by the majority of Americans.
And you didn't answer my question. Is this 'Death Spiral' business real or just made up bullshit? Are we not getting enough young/healthy people to sign up to make it viable? Should we be concerned that so many major insurers are walking away and most of the co-ops are bankrupt? Or is it really a rosy picture and not a big deal because there are others that will take their place?
And no...blah blah blah Romney or blah blah blah Kenyan is not a real answer.
No shit it hasn't been viewed favorably...myself included. But the debate hasn't been between the ACA and a "better alternative" .....its been between the ACA and the system that preceded ....lest you forget the 50 votes Congress has taken to bring us back.
This is where i call you out. You and i both agree there is a better solution than Obamacare. But unlike you my eyes are open to the actual debate in Washington. On the 50 votes congress has taken to bring us back to 2008 i say "bad idea". You ignire that effort and cry about the 1000 page bill that nobody read...or whatever sean Hannity's synopsis is.
For 7 years you and all your non-partisan friends on this board have slammed the ACA and all of its shortcomings and ignored all of its benefits. And you are completely unwilling to admit its a better system to forbid insurance companies from denying coverage to pre existing conditions, or lower costs for senior prescription drugs, or let college students stay on their parents plan....and other attributes.
And to answer your question...yes, there is a problem with the exchanges having a disproportionate number of sick people in the exchanges. You outlined a couple decent solutions that might address it....none of which require us to start over from the train wreck of preObamaCare as Congress has voted for 50 times, right?
But you can bet that will be the continued strategy. Republicans are furious the Kenyan got a big win - largely on a system they invented. And they wont be happy until they can take his name off it.
