Obamacare Lite

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Originally posted by: vegasdev
most people are not a fan of Obamacare. most people will not be a fan of Trumpcare. one thing is for sure, it IS very complicated.


The AMA (The American Medical Association) announced its opposition to Trumpcare today. The American Hospital Association announced their opposition yesterday. The only people that seem to like it are Paul Rino and Trump.
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
I know this is a crazy thought to those on the left, but how about able bodied people pay their own way. COMMENTS PLEASE WHY ABLE BODIED PEOPLE SHOULDN'T PAY THEIR OWN WAY.


This is one we definitely agree on. If you are able bodied you should be responsible for you and your family. It worked when my grandparents came over here to get away from Hitler. It worked for my parents and it worked for me and my wife.

If you are not able bodied or need a hand up so be it but if you are able to work, you need to work.

People of my generation, IMHO the workers who seem to support both the rich and the lazy non working blood suckers, are getting older and out of the work force. Soon we will also be on the government tit and not paying as much in taxes. When that happens we will have a real shit storm in this country.
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
I know this is a crazy thought to those on the left, but how about able bodied people pay their own way. COMMENTS PLEASE WHY ABLE BODIED PEOPLE SHOULDN'T PAY THEIR OWN WAY.


This is one we definitely agree on. If you are able bodied you should be responsible for you and your family. It worked when my grandparents came over here to get away from Hitler. It worked for my parents and it worked for me and my wife.

If you are not able bodied or need a hand up so be it but if you are able to work, you need to work.

People of my generation, IMHO the workers who seem to support both the rich and the lazy non working blood suckers, are getting older and out of the work force. Soon we will also be on the government tit and not paying as much in taxes. When that happens we will have a real shit storm in this country.



Its not a question of work so much as income. There are lots of people who bust their ass for 40-80 hours a week and cant afford 8k to pay for their health insurance. You've likely met many of them:
- the people who cut your hair
- the people who clean your hotel room
- the people who wait on you in restaurants
- the people who take care of your kids at daycare

They're not lazy. They just don't get paid very well because our society allows for it.

If you're opinion is that healthcare should only be accessible by those fortunate enough to live above this kind of living then so be it. That's your opinion - and its not one that is shared by any other industrialized nation on the planet. I'm guessing the aforementioned groups don't share your opinion either (many of whom voted for Trump and Republicans) and that's why Republicans are shitting themselves right now.

And when you listen to the personal stories of conservatives on this board who have taken more out than they've put in - clearly they don't believe their own BS either.

"record number of people signing up for Affordable Care Act in 2017? Is that what it means?"

Wasn't the number of people supposed to be significantly higher than 6+m? Liberals judge a program only by the numbere of bodies that are in a program, not by whether or not the program is financially viable. obamacare is marked by higher premiums, higher deductables, higher taxes & bankrupt exchanges

One thing to consider, is that for every bit of free shit that is being given away, someone has to pay for this. Corporations, for example. Such transfers of wealth have chased companies with lots of money elsewhere. They invest in places that are cheaper and better to do business. This leads to a loss of American jobs, leading to the middle class getting economically crushed.

But why am I telling this to such an enlightened person?


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Originally posted by: Amberly
Apologies for omitting Boilerman from the LVFritz and DrMilled off-the-rails bat-shit-crazy train. Jump on board. There is plenty of room. The first drink is LVFritz!


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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
One thing to consider, is that for every bit of free shit that is being given away, someone has to pay for this. Corporations, for example. Such transfers of wealth have chased companies with lots of money elsewhere. They invest in places that are cheaper and better to do business. This leads to a loss of American jobs, leading to the middle class getting economically crushed.

But why am I telling this to such an enlightened person?


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Originally posted by: Amberly
Apologies for omitting Boilerman from the LVFritz and DrMilled off-the-rails bat-shit-crazy train. Jump on board. There is plenty of room. The first drink is LVFritz!



Really? That's fascinating. I'd be very interested in you showing me the data you're citing that

1) shows how the Affordable care Act reversed any income distribution trends in our population since its inception

2) name the country that companies are fleeing to that has less "free shit" in their healthcare system than ours. Ireland? Bermuda? Switzerland? Canada?

That's what "pay your own way" means, in my eyes.


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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: BeelzeBob
Sure. Everyone should just pay their own way.

Or buy insurance, . . . just in case, . . . to share the "financial risk", . . . like in the Good Old days.


Beelze, I'm only too familiar with the cost of medical care...................having 10 knee surgeries all on my left knee (2 full knee replacements, 2 full ACL reconstructions, 2 scopes, and 4 microfracture surgeries). Let's not forget the spinal fusion surgery in late 2014. I can play to a 10 handicap, so I'm doing fine.

What I'm saying is that insurance is expensive, and people need to understand and prepare for this expense once they reach adulthood. Money doesn't magically appear to pay for the medical expenses of one who hasn't who hasn't prepared. Some man, woman, or company must pay these expenses.

Be careful what you wish for. For every expense you toss on the back of the rich guy, or the rich corporation, the more quicky American assets move overseas. The more that you tax companies, the more American companies you'll find closing up and taking the jobs elsewhere. This is not a myth, but instead a fact. We've been chasing away American investments for decades, and those with open minds and observant eyes understand this.

There's no magic pill, and every action causes a reaction.


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Originally posted by: BeelzeBob
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
I know this is a crazy thought to those on the left, but how about able bodied people pay their own way. COMMENTS PLEASE WHY ABLE BODIED PEOPLE SHOULDN'T PAY THEIR OWN WAY.


Cancer treatments can run 50k or more. A heart attack costs about $38,000 for the first 90 days of treatment. A knee replacement averages $30k, and a hip replacement about $40K.

The average US salary is $53,657

Sure. Everyone should just pay their own way.


Here's my data that proves that I'm correct.

Study


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
One thing to consider, is that for every bit of free shit that is being given away, someone has to pay for this. Corporations, for example. Such transfers of wealth have chased companies with lots of money elsewhere. They invest in places that are cheaper and better to do business. This leads to a loss of American jobs, leading to the middle class getting economically crushed.

But why am I telling this to such an enlightened person?


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Originally posted by: Amberly
Apologies for omitting Boilerman from the LVFritz and DrMilled off-the-rails bat-shit-crazy train. Jump on board. There is plenty of room. The first drink is LVFritz!



Really? That's fascinating. I'd be very interested in you showing me the data you're citing that

1) shows how the Affordable care Act reversed any income distribution trends in our population since its inception

2) name the country that companies are fleeing to that has less "free shit" in their healthcare system than ours. Ireland? Bermuda? Switzerland? Canada?


The problem with American health care costs is that 5% of the population consumes almost half of the costs. Much of this is for end of life care. As long as it is the policy to extend life no matter the cost, expenses will continue to spiral.

This is a huge ethical question that nobody wants to address.
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