Obamacare Lite

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Originally posted by: billryan
It's not that complicated . This new plan takes tax credits from the poor and gives them to the rich. A 50 year old poor person sees his tax credits cut in half, a middle income 50 year old guy sees his bill stay the same, a 50 year old person making $500,000 gets new tax credits and a 50 year old billionaire gets a couple hundred thousand dollars in tax credits. It actually encourages those without insurance not to apply for it until its needed, and does away with a state being able to establish minimum standards for insurance sold within it.
There is no way this can be done without blowing up the deficit.
Hopefully, its DOA.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The problem with American health care costs is that 5% of the population consumes almost half of the costs. Much of this is for end of life care. As long as it is the policy to extend life no matter the cost, expenses will continue to spiral.

This is a huge ethical question that nobody wants to address.

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Originally posted by: bbking

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Originally posted by: billryan
It's not that complicated . This new plan takes tax credits from the poor and gives them to the rich. A 50 year old poor person sees his tax credits cut in half, a middle income 50 year old guy sees his bill stay the same, a 50 year old person making $500,000 gets new tax credits and a 50 year old billionaire gets a couple hundred thousand dollars in tax credits. It actually encourages those without insurance not to apply for it until its needed, and does away with a state being able to establish minimum standards for insurance sold within it.
There is no way this can be done without blowing up the deficit.
Hopefully, its DOA.

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Isn't it amazing that these assholes keep finding ways to give more and more the wealthy and screw the rest of us.

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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Agreed. Most folks with $1 million in the bank would never spend $500,000 of their own money to extend a crappy existence for another year..............but it's easy to spend other folks money. I believe it prudent that if we're dumb enough to offer government mandated healthcare, that we should largely eliminate "end of life care". I'm not talking hospice.

Before someone screams "death panels", Boiler has always argued that both private and government healthcare programs have death panels.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The problem with American health care costs is that 5% of the population consumes almost half of the costs. Much of this is for end of life care. As long as it is the policy to extend life no matter the cost, expenses will continue to spiral.

This is a huge ethical question that nobody wants to address.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Agreed. Most folks with $1 million in the bank would never spend $500,000 of their own money to extend a crappy existence for another year..............but it's easy to spend other folks money. I believe it prudent that if we're dumb enough to offer government mandated healthcare, that we should largely eliminate "end of life care". I'm not talking hospice.

Before someone screams "death panels", Boiler has always argued that both private and government healthcare programs have death panels.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The problem with American health care costs is that 5% of the population consumes almost half of the costs. Much of this is for end of life care. As long as it is the policy to extend life no matter the cost, expenses will continue to spiral.

This is a huge ethical question that nobody wants to address.

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The only people who screamed "death panels" were tea partiers rallying against Obamacare.

The rest of the world doesn't have fincancial woes due to end-of-life care. That's because doctors in those countries don't get paid ala-carte for every test/surgery/service they provide. That's the real problem in with healthcare in this country. Changing it would mean less profit for doctors and hospitals ....and way lower costs for everyone else.

But it requires a big intervention from the government which tea-partiers will only stand for if their propaganda machine tells them its ok. I'm not optimistic

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I cant read your source, Hoops, so I'll just assume you made up shit again. usually a safe bet. But perhaps the UK has isn't perfect either...no place is. But the UK pays a fraction for healthcare per capita compared to us. And if you are going to rest your argument on "people not getting care" you're standing in front of a giant glass house which is the US healthcare system


UK Healthcare Pros and Cons

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