Obamacare Rates Increasing, . . . no,really ! They really are.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiegoSo then, . . . apparently no factual error in the comments on the Obamacare Co-Ops financial difficulties...
I don't know. For example, the statement " Industry actuaries believe that those raises will not be enough to offset high claims costs." Is that from the report? Or is that from the editorialist being paid off by Big Pharma? Or is that from the editorialist working for the extremely right wing American Enterprise Institute? Or was that phrase insisted upon by Rupert Murdoch.

That's why I don't present editorial content as actual news. DonDiego should consider doing likewise.

The subject of the sentence is "Industrial actuaries". Until it is demonstrated otherwise DonDiego believes it is the opinion of health insurance industry actuaries.

But here's a fact:
The rate increases approved for New York Obamacare Insurers were announced on Friday 31 July.
The Health Republic Insurance Co-Op, which is the subject of the opinion cited by forkushV, had requested an average increase of 14.36%; the New York Department of Financial Services approved a 14.06% increase.

And here's another opinion [note i]:
The New York Health Plan Association, a trade group that represents many of the insurance companies, expressed concerns over the new rates, questioning the methodology D.F.S. used to make its ruling.
“The premium rate approvals announced today by the Department of Financial Services continue an artificial suppressing of rates merely to support the claim that New York is keeping premium increases to ‘below the average increase in health care costs,’ which doesn’t make sense,” H.P.A. president and C.E.O. Paul Macielak said in a statement. “The approved rates do not, in many cases, accurately reflect the financial status of plans as indicated in their rate submissions. Plans’ requests were reasonable and justified.”
Ref: capitalnewyork

note i: So the industrial actuaries' opinion is shared by the trade group representing the insurance companies, which asserts that the State of New York is intentionally approving lower rates for publicity. No surprise. But the point is it's all just a projection.
Poor old DonDiego would prefer to report "news". But there is no "actual news", because 2016 hasn't happened yet.
If the Health Republic Insurance Co-Op persists in charging rates under which it loses money, . . . eventually it will have lost enough to go bankrupt and be unable to repay the federal loans by which it was established. This news would likely make all the reputable newspapers.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

The subject of the sentence is "Industrial actuaries". Until it is demonstrated otherwise DonDiego believes it is the opinion of health insurance industry actuaries...
Well of course you do! That's because you found it in the Rupert Murdoch directed WSJ Editorial Page. And now that you know that it was written by a Big Pharma shill and by someone who works for the uber right-wing AEI, I bet you want to believe it even more.

And if I ever use a phrase like, "Until it is proved otherwise..." just shoot me.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And if I ever use a phrase like, "Until it is proved otherwise..." just shoot me.
DonDiego would not shoot anyone for what they write or even say, . . . unless it were a direct statement of immediate harmful intentions. He suspects forkushV could find a more willing executioner without even looking very hard.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

The subject of the sentence is "Industrial actuaries". Until it is demonstrated otherwise DonDiego believes it is the opinion of health insurance industry actuaries...
Well of course you do! That's because you found it in the Rupert Murdoch directed WSJ Editorial Page. And now that you know that it was written by a Big Pharma shill and by someone who works for the uber right-wing AEI, I bet you want to believe it even more.

And if I ever use a phrase like, "Until it is proved otherwise..." just shoot me.


So anything backed by George Soros is left wing crap?

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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

The subject of the sentence is "Industrial actuaries". Until it is demonstrated otherwise DonDiego believes it is the opinion of health insurance industry actuaries...
Well of course you do! That's because you found it in the Rupert Murdoch directed WSJ Editorial Page. And now that you know that it was written by a Big Pharma shill and by someone who works for the uber right-wing AEI, I bet you want to believe it even more.

And if I ever use a phrase like, "Until it is proved otherwise..." just shoot me.


So anything backed by George Soros is left wing crap?
No. Just that there are news sources and partisan editorial sources. And editorial sources have there place, even those that are extreme like the Wall Street Journal Editorial page and Occupy Wall Street. Posting an article by one of those while pretending it is a news article and without clearly labeling it as opinion is deceptive however.

Glad I could clear that up for you.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

The subject of the sentence is "Industrial actuaries". Until it is demonstrated otherwise DonDiego believes it is the opinion of health insurance industry actuaries...
Well of course you do! That's because you found it in the Rupert Murdoch directed WSJ Editorial Page. And now that you know that it was written by a Big Pharma shill and by someone who works for the uber right-wing AEI, I bet you want to believe it even more.

And if I ever use a phrase like, "Until it is proved otherwise..." just shoot me.


So anything backed by George Soros is left wing crap?
No. Just that there are news sources and partisan editorial sources. And editorial sources have there place, even those that are extreme like the Wall Street Journal Editorial page and Occupy Wall Street. Posting an article by one of those while pretending it is a news article and without clearly labeling it as opinion is deceptive however.

Glad I could clear that up for you.


So we can include the major media outlets such as:

ABC
CBS
NBC and it off shoots
CNN
Huffington Post

as purely partisan editorial sources.
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

The subject of the sentence is "Industrial actuaries". Until it is demonstrated otherwise DonDiego believes it is the opinion of health insurance industry actuaries...
Well of course you do! That's because you found it in the Rupert Murdoch directed WSJ Editorial Page. And now that you know that it was written by a Big Pharma shill and by someone who works for the uber right-wing AEI, I bet you want to believe it even more.

And if I ever use a phrase like, "Until it is proved otherwise..." just shoot me.


So anything backed by George Soros is left wing crap?
No. Just that there are news sources and partisan editorial sources. And editorial sources have there place, even those that are extreme like the Wall Street Journal Editorial page and Occupy Wall Street. Posting an article by one of those while pretending it is a news article and without clearly labeling it as opinion is deceptive however.

Glad I could clear that up for you.


So we can include the major media outlets such as:

ABC
CBS
NBC...


as purely partisan editorial sources.
Because Spiro and Dick said so 45 years ago? Because apparently, that's all you got.
" extreme like the Wall Street Journal "

Really?
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Originally posted by: chafraho
" extreme like the Wall Street Journal "

Really?
Oh, so you're dishonest as well as witless and unfunny.

I wrote, "extreme like the Wall Street Journal Editorial page." It's run by NewsCorp - Rupert Murdoch, you know, Fox News. And their idea of a great ACA editorial is one written by a Big Pharma shill and an American Enterprise Institute employee.

Partisan editorials have their place, but they should be clearly labeled as NOT news.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Because apparently, that's all you got.

If poor old DonDiego ever uses a phrase like " . . . that's all you got" DonDiego requests someone caress him gently with a soft fluffy sash covered in velvet.
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