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pjstroh
pjstroh
Jul 12, 2015
11:40pm
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AlanLeroy says one thing....fact checkers say the oppositte.
And its just another day on LVA.

Politifact: Obamacare is reducing the deficit
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jul 12, 2015
11:44pm
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Once again a liberal brags about reducing premium inflation (although it appears that rates are going up pretty fast), but we were promised premiums would go down.

Pj the self proclaimed obamacare expert, had for years said that obamacare would reduce emergency room visits.


No - I said uninsured emergency room care would decrease - and I was right.

People who wish to improve upon Obamacare can have a thoughtful debate on how to lower costs and premiums going forward. But that would exclude Hoops.

Repuiblicans in Congress and their cheerleaders on this board have adovcated we go back to a system that is more expensive on all fronts, insures millions fewer people, and allows insurance companies to discriminate against sick people. Because the basis of their solution to any problem is to opposse the sitting president first - even if he puts forward ideas they supported before.
Don
Don
Jul 12, 2015
11:45pm
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
A chicken in every pot!


alanleroy
alanleroy
Jul 12, 2015
11:53pm
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
AlanLeroy says one thing....fact checkers say the oppositte.
And its just another day on LVA.

Politifact: Obamacare is reducing the deficit

Does PJ ever read the articles he quotes?

AlanLeroy said "There is no evidence the ACA has reduced the US deficit" and "Most economists attribute slower growth of medical costs to the Great Recession since those costs started tapering downward well before the ACA went into effect. "

PJ's article states:

"....there is debate among health economists over how much of the downward trend is specifically attributable to the Affordable Care Act.

Mark McClellan, a former head of Medicare and Medicaid under President George W. Bush, now at Brookings, said it’s unlikely the legislation itself is the main factor, since the slowdown in health care costs began before the law was enacted, and most of the cost contractions comes from areas of health care care that aren’t directly affected by the law."

and concludes that "The CBO recently lowered its projection for long-term deficits and specifically cited health care costs as the main reason, though the Affordable Care Act is not necessarily the primary cause of that calculation."

These are the exact points AlanLeroy was making. Does PJ ever tire in being wrong and supporting AlanLeroy's position with linked articles he incorrectly titles? And it's just another day on LVA....indeed.





pjstroh
pjstroh
Jul 13, 2015
12:01am
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
AlanLeroy says one thing....fact checkers say the oppositte.
And its just another day on LVA.

Politifact: Obamacare is reducing the deficit

Does PJ ever read the articles he quotes?

AlanLeroy said "There is no evidence the ACA has reduced the US deficit" and "Most economists attribute slower growth of medical costs to the Great Recession since those costs started tapering downward well before the ACA went into effect. "

PJ's article states:

"....there is debate among health economists over how much of the downward trend is specifically attributable to the Affordable Care Act.

Mark McClellan, a former head of Medicare and Medicaid under President George W. Bush, now at Brookings, said it’s unlikely the legislation itself is the main factor, since the slowdown in health care costs began before the law was enacted, and most of the cost contractions comes from areas of health care care that aren’t directly affected by the law."

and concludes that "The CBO recently lowered its projection for long-term deficits and specifically cited health care costs as the main reason, though the Affordable Care Act is not necessarily the primary cause of that calculation."

These are the exact points AlanLeroy was making. Does PJ ever tire in being wrong and supporting AlanLeroy's position with linked articles he incorrectly titles? And it's just another day on LVA....indeed.


AlanLeroy struggles with the English language. He states there is no evidence. Yes, there most certainly is. Its manifested itself in the form of lower premium inlfation and deficit reduction. Hence the conclusion of a pulitzer prize winning fact checking source.

You can have a debate as to how much is attributable to Obamacare or an economic reovery or other factors - but to say there is no evidence is patently false - which is par for the corse on any topic non-partisan AlanLeroy weighs in on.

alanleroy
alanleroy
Jul 13, 2015
12:24am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Once again a liberal brags about reducing premium inflation (although it appears that rates are going up pretty fast), but we were promised premiums would go down.

Pj the self proclaimed obamacare expert, had for years said that obamacare would reduce emergency room visits.


No - I said uninsured emergency room care would decrease - and I was right.

People who wish to improve upon Obamacare can have a thoughtful debate on how to lower costs and premiums going forward. But that would exclude Hoops.

Repuiblicans in Congress and their cheerleaders on this board have adovcated we go back to a system that is more expensive on all fronts, insures millions fewer people, and allows insurance companies to discriminate against sick people. Because the basis of their solution to any problem is to opposse the sitting president first - even if he puts forward ideas they supported before.


1. That's not the point at all. Insured or not, in order for healthcare to be more affordable, the ACA was supposed to stop people from using the Emergency Room for routine healthcare. It was supposed to get the millions of newly insured into a primary doctor relationship. That hasn't happened. I'm not sure why. But it hasn't happened. Were still being ripped off from a cost standpoint by people who for whatever reason are not in a normal ongoing Doctor/Patient relationship.

2. I have never once suggested the ACA should be repealed. I have offered up at lest 10 different ways to greatly improve the ACA from a cost standpoint and have never been engaged by a single democrat poster here either agreeing or disagreeing with my suggestions. So much for a "thoughtful debate on how to lower costs and premiums going forward". It's almost like they don't want to improve the ACA because they'd much prefer to either blame the Republicans for creating the ACA in the first place or just blame the Republicans for hating President Obama...like you just did.

My conclusion is that neither side really wants to fix the ACA and that bodes ill for the American people.
alanleroy
alanleroy
Jul 13, 2015
12:29am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
AlanLeroy says one thing....fact checkers say the oppositte.
And its just another day on LVA.

Politifact: Obamacare is reducing the deficit

Does PJ ever read the articles he quotes?

AlanLeroy said "There is no evidence the ACA has reduced the US deficit" and "Most economists attribute slower growth of medical costs to the Great Recession since those costs started tapering downward well before the ACA went into effect. "

PJ's article states:

"....there is debate among health economists over how much of the downward trend is specifically attributable to the Affordable Care Act.

Mark McClellan, a former head of Medicare and Medicaid under President George W. Bush, now at Brookings, said it’s unlikely the legislation itself is the main factor, since the slowdown in health care costs began before the law was enacted, and most of the cost contractions comes from areas of health care care that aren’t directly affected by the law."

and concludes that "The CBO recently lowered its projection for long-term deficits and specifically cited health care costs as the main reason, though the Affordable Care Act is not necessarily the primary cause of that calculation."

These are the exact points AlanLeroy was making. Does PJ ever tire in being wrong and supporting AlanLeroy's position with linked articles he incorrectly titles? And it's just another day on LVA....indeed.


AlanLeroy struggles with the English language. He states there is no evidence. Yes, there most certainly is. Its manifested itself in the form of lower premium inlfation and deficit reduction. Hence the conclusion of a pulitzer prize winning fact checking source.

You can have a debate as to how much is attributable to Obamacare or an economic reovery or other factors - but to say there is no evidence is patently false - which is par for the corse on any topic non-partisan AlanLeroy weighs in on.

PJ's title to the linked article: "Obamacare is reducing the deficit"
The linked article conculdes: The Affordable Care Act is not necessarily the primary cause of that calculation.

Either PJ didn't understand the article he linked or he was purposely being deceptive. He keeps digging a deeper hole.

jatki
jatki
Jul 13, 2015
12:33am
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Funny, no one ever has a WORD to say about the promise of the $2500 per family savings that was promised, only throwing out catch phrases like lower premiuim inflation. Funny(comical haha funny) ,for sure.
drmilled
drmilled
Jul 13, 2015
12:48am
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The ACA- "changes you can believe in" - from the Liar-in-Chief, Obeyme.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jul 13, 2015
1:13am
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Originally posted by: alanleroy



Either PJ didn't understand the article he linked or he was purposely being deceptive. He keeps digging a deeper hole.


No - PJ simply speaks and understands English. AlanLeroy struggles with the definitions of simple words like "evidence".

There is an intelligent debate as to how much Obamacare is reducing costs vs other factors. AlanLeroy is not a part of that debate. he claims there is no evidence that factors like these have done anything to curtail costs in the new healthcare system.

- Adding younger people to the insurance pool
- capping overhead of insurance companies
- giving more incentives for preventative care
- creating exchanges for competition
- creating transparency of medical costs from providers

So if you believe none of these things represent evidence of reigning in costs then Non-partisan, medical expert AlanLeroy is your man. Otherwise one might consider Pulitzer prize winning fact-checking sources.
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