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rdwoodpecker
rdwoodpecker
Jul 1, 2014
12:03pm
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
DRich, let's not concern ourselves with the truth.

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Originally posted by: DRich2
Look at these stats for how well it is working in Nevada:

Source: Link from Las vegas Review Journal

"Researchers looked particularly at rate changes among people ages 27, 40 and 64. As other analysts have reported, young men fared the worst, with 27-year-olds across the Silver State seeing average monthly premiums jump from $71 to $276, for a 289 percent increase. For 40-year-olds, premiums rose 183 percent, from $119 to $337. And 64-year-olds saw their average rise 124 percent, from $353 to $792.

Nevada’s premium hikes vary by region. A 27-year-old man in Clark County, where doctors’ networks are bigger and buying power is stronger, saw his monthly bill go from $52 to $178, for a 242 percent increase. That same person living in Elko or White Pine counties, however, saw his rate surge from $76 to $354, up 366 percent."


It probably comes as a huge surprise to some on here that shares of the Brooklyn Bridge are cheaper than legitimate health insurance. And the quoted premiums mentioned are BEFORE any subsidies kick in.

But thanks for playing


And I wonder where these "subsidies" money is going to come from? Oh, sure the middle class can cover it, we always do!
Don
Don
Jul 1, 2014
12:27pm
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
[And I wonder where these "subsidies" money is going to come from? Oh, sure the middle class can cover it, we always do!
Sources for Obamacare Funding:

__+0.9% Increase in Medicare Tax Rate
__3.8% New Tax on unearned income for high-income taxpayers= $210.2 billion ($200,000 for individual and $250,000 for joint filers)
__New Annual Fee on health insurance providers = $60 billion (For calculation - Sec 9010 (b) of the PPACA.)
__40% New Tax on health insurance policies which cost more than $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family, per year = $32 billion (inland tax as opposed to an importation tax)
__New Annual Fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs = $27 billion (For calculation - Sec 9008 (b) of the PPACA)
__2.3% New Tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices = $20 billion
__+2.5% Increase (7.5% to 10%) in the Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction = $15.2 billion
__Limit annual contributions to $2,500 on flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans (plans that allow employees to choose between different types of benefits)
__10% New Tax imposed on each individual for whom “indoor tanning services” are performed.
__3.8% New Tax on investment income. Includes: gross income from interest, dividends, royalties, rents, and net capital gains. Investment income does not include interest on tax-exempt bonds, veterans’ benefits, excluded gain from the sale of a principle residence, distributions from retirement plans, or amounts subject to self-employment taxes. (The lesser of net investment income or the excess of modified Adjusted Gross Income over a the dollar amount at which the highest income tax bracket, typically $250,000 for married filing jointly and $200,000 filing as an individual).
Boilerman
Boilerman
Jul 1, 2014
8:02pm
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It's certainly good that, just as Obama and friends promised, Obamacare savings will cover all of those free giveaways.

Wait, I guess that's now it's working out...........just how I promised. Even Liberals knew this "it'll all be free" arguments weren't true, but Liberals don't care about certain lies.


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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
[And I wonder where these "subsidies" money is going to come from? Oh, sure the middle class can cover it, we always do!
Sources for Obamacare Funding:

__+0.9% Increase in Medicare Tax Rate
__3.8% New Tax on unearned income for high-income taxpayers= $210.2 billion ($200,000 for individual and $250,000 for joint filers)
__New Annual Fee on health insurance providers = $60 billion (For calculation - Sec 9010 (b) of the PPACA.)
__40% New Tax on health insurance policies which cost more than $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family, per year = $32 billion (inland tax as opposed to an importation tax)
__New Annual Fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs = $27 billion (For calculation - Sec 9008 (b) of the PPACA)
__2.3% New Tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices = $20 billion
__+2.5% Increase (7.5% to 10%) in the Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction = $15.2 billion
__Limit annual contributions to $2,500 on flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans (plans that allow employees to choose between different types of benefits)
__10% New Tax imposed on each individual for whom “indoor tanning services” are performed.
__3.8% New Tax on investment income. Includes: gross income from interest, dividends, royalties, rents, and net capital gains. Investment income does not include interest on tax-exempt bonds, veterans’ benefits, excluded gain from the sale of a principle residence, distributions from retirement plans, or amounts subject to self-employment taxes. (The lesser of net investment income or the excess of modified Adjusted Gross Income over a the dollar amount at which the highest income tax bracket, typically $250,000 for married filing jointly and $200,000 filing as an individual).


hoops2
hoops2
Jul 1, 2014
11:29pm
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After 5 years of bellyaching about the law conservative criticism has been reduced to clerical errors in the system. 3 MILLION ERRORS OUT OF 8m IS A LOT OF ERRORS

Whatever happened to the death panels - WHEN YOU INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF PATIENTS WITHOUT INCREASING THE SUPPLY OF PROVIDERS YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE RATIONING OF SERVICES

..or the doctor shortages - SEE ABOVE

or the out of control price increaseS - 2015 PRICES HAVE NOTBEEN SET YET

.or the nobody will sign up crap - 8m SIGNED UP, MANY WERE FROM PREVIOUSLY CANCELLED POLICIES & 40% CANNOT BE VERIFIED FOR ELIGIBILITY

drmilled
drmilled
Jul 2, 2014
12:23am
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I see that the resident liberal know-it-alls are strangely silent now that the real undeniable truth, facts and costs of Obamacare have materialized.
alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Jul 2, 2014
12:49am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
[And I wonder where these "subsidies" money is going to come from? Oh, sure the middle class can cover it, we always do!
Sources for Obamacare Funding:

__+0.9% Increase in Medicare Tax Rate
__3.8% New Tax on unearned income for high-income taxpayers= $210.2 billion ($200,000 for individual and $250,000 for joint filers)
__New Annual Fee on health insurance providers = $60 billion (For calculation - Sec 9010 (b) of the PPACA.)
__40% New Tax on health insurance policies which cost more than $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family, per year = $32 billion (inland tax as opposed to an importation tax)
__New Annual Fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs = $27 billion (For calculation - Sec 9008 (b) of the PPACA)
__2.3% New Tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices = $20 billion
__+2.5% Increase (7.5% to 10%) in the Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction = $15.2 billion
__Limit annual contributions to $2,500 on flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans (plans that allow employees to choose between different types of benefits)
__10% New Tax imposed on each individual for whom “indoor tanning services” are performed.
__3.8% New Tax on investment income. Includes: gross income from interest, dividends, royalties, rents, and net capital gains. Investment income does not include interest on tax-exempt bonds, veterans’ benefits, excluded gain from the sale of a principle residence, distributions from retirement plans, or amounts subject to self-employment taxes. (The lesser of net investment income or the excess of modified Adjusted Gross Income over a the dollar amount at which the highest income tax bracket, typically $250,000 for married filing jointly and $200,000 filing as an individual).

Wait a minute...Why do we need all these new taxes? What about all of the savings because previously uninsured people were going to stop using the ER like it was their personal physician office?

Boilerman
Boilerman
Jul 2, 2014
1:12am
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A buddy of mine started an antifreeze recycling business some 25 years ago. He sold it in early 2014 for $6.1 million and was charged the ADDITIONAL 3.8% Obamacare tax ($232,000). When success is penalized, less folks will strive to succeed.

This tax is one more incentive to start a business outside of the United States. As businesses run towards offshore manufacturing locations, our Liberals still find it odd that entrepreneurs look for the best places to do business. I guess they will never understand.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jul 2, 2014
1:15am
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
[And I wonder where these "subsidies" money is going to come from? Oh, sure the middle class can cover it, we always do!
Sources for Obamacare Funding:

__+0.9% Increase in Medicare Tax Rate
__3.8% New Tax on unearned income for high-income taxpayers= $210.2 billion ($200,000 for individual and $250,000 for joint filers)
__New Annual Fee on health insurance providers = $60 billion (For calculation - Sec 9010 (b) of the PPACA.)
__40% New Tax on health insurance policies which cost more than $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family, per year = $32 billion (inland tax as opposed to an importation tax)
__New Annual Fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs = $27 billion (For calculation - Sec 9008 (b) of the PPACA)
__2.3% New Tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices = $20 billion
__+2.5% Increase (7.5% to 10%) in the Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction = $15.2 billion
__Limit annual contributions to $2,500 on flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans (plans that allow employees to choose between different types of benefits)
__10% New Tax imposed on each individual for whom “indoor tanning services” are performed.
__3.8% New Tax on investment income. Includes: gross income from interest, dividends, royalties, rents, and net capital gains. Investment income does not include interest on tax-exempt bonds, veterans’ benefits, excluded gain from the sale of a principle residence, distributions from retirement plans, or amounts subject to self-employment taxes. (The lesser of net investment income or the excess of modified Adjusted Gross Income over a the dollar amount at which the highest income tax bracket, typically $250,000 for married filing jointly and $200,000 filing as an individual).

Wait a minute...Why do we need all these new taxes? What about all of the savings because previously uninsured people were going to stop using the ER like it was their personal physician office?


This is huge. For this first time ever Don Diego admits that uninsured people cost money when they visit the ER. Everytime I've pointed out that fact for 5 years DonDiego ran and hid behind a tomato vine until the topic changed to something else.

And yes, Democrats passed taxes to pay for their legislation. I understand this is a foreign concept to people who prayed at the alter of "deficts dont matter" for 8 years....or who believe you can pay for things by CUTTING taxes ala Paul Ryan. Thats ok. Its good to learn new things.

But whats really fascinating is that we managed to create a record number of millionaires this past year even with all those new tanning bed taxes. It doesn't seem possible but somehow it manifested itself.
More millionaires created than ever in 2013
Don
Don
Jul 2, 2014
1:52am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh

This is huge. For this first time ever Don Diego admits that uninsured people cost money when they visit the ER. Everytime I've pointed out that fact for 5 years DonDiego ran and hid behind a tomato vine until the topic changed to something else.
DonDiego has never thought or said medical care costs nothing, . . . for anybody - whether they pay or not.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
And yes, Democrats passed taxes to pay for their legislation. I understand this is a foreign concept to people who prayed at the alter of "deficts dont matter" for 8 years....or who believe you can pay for things by CUTTING taxes ala Paul Ryan. Thats ok. Its good to learn new things.
DonDiego is pleased to see pjstroh acknowledge that Democrats raised taxes for Obamacare. DonDiego has never thought or said "deficits don't matter."
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
But whats really fascinating is that we managed to create a record number of millionaires this past year even with all those new tanning bed taxes. It doesn't seem possible but somehow it manifested itself.
More millionaires created than ever in 2013
pjstroh's link takes poor old DonDiego to a website which won't allow him to read the reference.

US News and World Report reports the increase in millionaires:
"Japan gained 425,000 millionaires — a rise of 22 percent, its biggest year-over-year increase since 2000.
he number of U.S. millionaires rose 570,000, 17 percent, to 4 million."
[For the record: DonDiego opines that "4 million" number seems awfully low.]

Hmm, . . . what do Japan and the USA have in common? DonDiego knows: The Bank of Japan and the US Federal Reserve have been purchasing debt and other bank assets in an effort to raise inflation, . . . so far not as much as they had hoped. But they have raised the value of financial assets.

More from US News:
"Much of the world's stock wealth is concentrated among the rich. In the United States, for instance, 80 percent of stock is owned by the wealthiest 10 percent of households. Rising stock prices have helped boost the net worth of the wealthy and, thanks to dividends, their income.
By contrast, the middle class in many countries has struggled as millions of jobs wiped out in the financial crisis have yet to return. And wages, their primary source of income, have barely kept up with inflation.
In the United States, incomes for the highest-earning 1 percent rose 31 percent from 2009 through 2012, after adjusting for inflation, according to data compiled by Emmanuel Saez, an economist at University of California, Berkeley. For everyone else, income rose an average of 0.4 percent."

DonDiego is pleased that pjstroh shares his joy at the good fortune of the One-Percent.

alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Jul 2, 2014
1:54am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
This is huge. For this first time ever Don Diego admits that uninsured people cost money when they visit the ER. Everytime I've pointed out that fact for 5 years DonDiego ran and hid behind a tomato vine until the topic changed to something else.


The only problem is that pjstroh was quoting AlanLeroy and not DonDiego. AlanLeroy has known for some time that uninsured people cost money. That is because of the EMTALA. AlanLeroy has suggested that law be repealed to encourage people to get medical insurance.

Hey wait a minute...Why is AlanLeroy talking like DonDiego?
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