Observing Dumb Gamblers (add your story here)

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Originally posted by: daviddechenne
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Originally posted by: KarenTN
I have shared this one before. Some years ago, i was playing blackjack at a local casino. It was a $25 double deck table. The table is pretty full. The dealer deals and her up card is an 8 or something. I know it was not a bust card and I know it was not a face. The guy in the 5th spot starts to signal to split his 2 face cards. I guess he must have reacted to the gasp of horror that came from the rest of the table. Because he suddenly wants to hit his 20. The dealer asks him if he is sure. He says yes. She lets him know that unless he draws an Ace, he will bust and again asks him if he is sure. He says yes. Then she finally calls a suit over for the guy to confirm in front of her supervisor that he wants to hit his 20. And she deals him a 2 and he busts. The rest of the table cashed out and fled immediately after the hand was finished.


The guy didn't appear overly drunk, and even if he was, he had plenty of chances to back out of making this stupid hit





Why would the rest of the table "flee." As I understand the math of BJ at a table, there is no predictabliity in the "incorrect" action by one player effecting the success, or lack there of, of other players at the table. And, while a specific decision may result in the dealer not busting---for example---in one hand, it is statistically neutral over the long run and is just as likely to hurt the dealer in the next example. I think that "fleeing" a table with an incorrect player simply shows lack of understanding of those who flee.


You are right as far as the math is concerned, but I would flee simply because I do not like to see BJ innocents get slaughtered, same as I would flee from watching whales being harpooned.

Nothing beats a BJ player splitting face cards (innocence, stupidity, cry for attention? You decide.)
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Originally posted by: Rock'n Rick
Went to one of the local casinos over the holiday weekend ......
I was waiting for Rock'n Rita outside the restrooms, and was observing from a distance a man playing video poker.

He was playing regular Deuces Wild, and was dealt 2 Deuces, which he held, along with the King of Hearts.......

Then a few hands latter he was dealt 2 Deuces, which he held, and this time held them with the Ace of Clubs....


Obviously this guy didn't know how to play correctly, but even if this was his first time ever playing VP,
one would think that it would be a very obvious decision to hold just the Deuces in each instance.

............. I guess I was just so surprised to see such an uneducated player.



Rick


I read your thread wrong. I thought they were dealt 4 deuces not 2. Sorry about that.

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Originally posted by: treegirl
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Originally posted by: BAGIANT
Years ago when I used to go on these "up and backs" out of LAX, I was playing BJ at the now defunct Maxim Hotel.

All of a sudden there was a big commotion coming from the slot area. Seems like a husband and wife were playing side by side slot machines, and the woman hit the jackpot. Only problem was, she only had one coin in instead of the 3 coins needed for the BIG Jackpot.

Well things finally got under control, until 15 minute later. Now an even louder commotion started, but this one was even worse than the previous one. I ran over to take a look at what was happening. When I got there, I could see the husband have the wife bent over backwards on the machine she was playing, and was strangling her to death. Apparently the woman had hit the same jackpot AGAIN, and even though she had hit a mini jackpot just 15 minutes earlier, HAD ONLY PLAYED....you guessed it....ONE COIN AT A TIME!!!

They apparently needed money desperately, and his wife just blew any chance they had of getting out of the hole!


What has one thing got to do with another? I was the one who started to pull the guy off of his wife until security got there. I really DON'T HATE WOMAN. That was just said in a moment of anger and frustration with certain women.

Your last line is what you got out of it?His wife blew their chance?
Him bending her over backwards on a slot and strangling her is ok though?
You do hate women.



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Originally posted by: BAGIANT

I play deuces wild occassionaly but I don't see what was wrong with his play. Since 4 deuces is the highest payout you can get other than a natural royal, what was wrong with his play? I could see a difference if he was playing Bonus Deuces Wild, but not with Deuces Wild. Am I missing something here?





Yes you are missing something .....

1. It's a lot easier to get 4 Deuces if you are drawing 3 cards than 2 cards.

2. It's a lot easier to get a Wild Royal if you are drawing 3 cards when holding 2 Deuces. (the possibility of more deuces).

3. It's a lot easier to get a Wild Royal if you are not holding a high card that would pigeon-hole you into one of the four suits.

4. It's a lot easier to get Five of a Kind if you are not committing yourself to one specific card out of 13 when holding 2 Deuces.


Rick
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Originally posted by: INdianapaddler
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Originally posted by: daviddechenne
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Originally posted by: KarenTN
I have shared this one before. Some years ago, i was playing blackjack at a local casino. It was a $25 double deck table. The table is pretty full. The dealer deals and her up card is an 8 or something. I know it was not a bust card and I know it was not a face. The guy in the 5th spot starts to signal to split his 2 face cards. I guess he must have reacted to the gasp of horror that came from the rest of the table. Because he suddenly wants to hit his 20. The dealer asks him if he is sure. He says yes. She lets him know that unless he draws an Ace, he will bust and again asks him if he is sure. He says yes. Then she finally calls a suit over for the guy to confirm in front of her supervisor that he wants to hit his 20. And she deals him a 2 and he busts. The rest of the table cashed out and fled immediately after the hand was finished.


The guy didn't appear overly drunk, and even if he was, he had plenty of chances to back out of making this stupid hit





Why would the rest of the table "flee." As I understand the math of BJ at a table, there is no predictabliity in the "incorrect" action by one player effecting the success, or lack there of, of other players at the table. And, while a specific decision may result in the dealer not busting---for example---in one hand, it is statistically neutral over the long run and is just as likely to hurt the dealer in the next example. I think that "fleeing" a table with an incorrect player simply shows lack of understanding of those who flee.


You are right as far as the math is concerned, but I would flee simply because I do not like to see BJ innocents get slaughtered, same as I would flee from watching whales being harpooned.




Good point.
Personally I would of sat out playing any more BJ hands and I would of enjoyed watching the slaughter. Of course, I would not have been surprised if the pit boss would of offered this idiot a comped suite and a future comped stay. That fool is just the kind of "player" the casinos love to have to donate to their bottom line.
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Originally posted by: Rock'n Rick Obviously this guy didn't know how to play correctly, but even if this was his first time ever playing VP, one would think that it would be a very obvious decision to hold just the Deuces in each instance. ............. I guess I was just so surprised to see such an uneducated player.
These aren't TERRIBLE plays (because they don't come up very often); he must believe he'll hit more royals. It would be obvious to me it WASN'T his first time. And a lot of the holds in DW aren't obvious. [ed. these might actually be the correct holds playing five card draw poker]

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Originally posted by: arcimedes I've seen many people keep a high pair, flushes and straights when dealt 4RF.
This is probably the most common "D'OH" mistake.

I watched a player muck a royal flush playing no limit texas hold'em. He made the flush on the turn, and the river card gave his opponent a full house, which beats a flush. He didn't notice it also gave him a one card royal. He flashed his hole cards to his buddy before he mucked them. Needless to say, a lifetime of ridicule follows.



"These aren't TERRIBLE plays (because they don't come up very often); he must believe he'll hit more royals."
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How is he going to hit more (I'm assuming you meant Wild Royals) ? ......
especially when selecting a high card with 2 deuces one fully commits to one suit out of four.

Also, these plays DO come up that often.
Getting 2 Deuces on the deal happens approximately once every 25 hands.


Rick
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Originally posted by: Rock'n Rick How is he going to hit more

Also, these plays DO come up that often. Getting 2 Deuces on the deal happens approximately once every 25 hands.

Rick
I said he must believe he'll hit more. ... But two dueces with a singleton royal card would be only about 1/3 of those.
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