OT My emergency room "doctor bill"

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
So I take it your ready to pay $9.00 a gallon for gas? A 26% tax on everything else taxed at each stage of production? A tax on the CC's of your cars engine? A tv tax? These taxes on top of the taxes we already pay??
In exchange for having my employer give me the money he's currently taking out of my paycheck to pay for my health insurance?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Without question.

Most certainly.

Yes.

You?


NO

NO

NO

NO

NO

HELL NO

Remember this?? "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

Tell me, exactly what program has the government run efficiently and saved the taxpayers money?


I'm wondering just who the universal health care Utopians think is going to provide health care when/if all of Obama's plan goes into affect. My family doctor of more than 20 years took an early retirement in 2008 after the presidential election, citing expected costly measures that were sure to be in place in the near future (and he was right). After scrambling to find a new personal physician, last month I received a letter from him stating that some services would no longer be offered by his practice and while he is still open to accepting new Medicaid/Medicare patients, he doesn't think that will last very long.

Real doctors are running away from this attempt by the government to control them and their business practices by forcing a price structures down their collective throats that won't cover their actual costs. Universal health care won't increase the availability of quality treatment to a larger group of people. What it will do (and has already done) is force qualified health care providers out of their chosen professions. If allowed to continue, it will result in a significant decline in people willing to go to school for a dozen years to become doctors. Who would be willing to accumulate a quarter million (or more) dollars of debt in school loans to be a tool of a government-run system? Compassion is one thing. Economic reality is another.

Perhaps Money's bill is in anticipation of that doctor wanting to take an early retirement too. ...or it could be the cost of living in California.
Well, before I start planning legal action, and how to deal with collections companies, Im going to give the doctor and his billing company a chance to respond to my letter.

I think my letter put them on notice that I am not rolling over and going to shovel out that kind of money for the two minutes that the emergency room doctor spent with me when MY OWN doctor was supervisiing everything.

if there is no revision in the bill, my first course of action will be a letter to the state board that regulates and licenses physicians with a copy to the doctor.

we'll take it one step at a time.

now back to the debate about health care reform....

Let us know what kind of response you get. I suspect there is a good chance the doctor will turn you over to collections before he gets around to answering your letter.


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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Well, before I start planning legal action, and how to deal with collections companies, Im going to give the doctor and his billing company a chance to respond to my letter.

I think my letter put them on notice that I am not rolling over and going to shovel out that kind of money for the two minutes that the emergency room doctor spent with me when MY OWN doctor was supervisiing everything.

if there is no revision in the bill, my first course of action will be a letter to the state board that regulates and licenses physicians with a copy to the doctor.

we'll take it one step at a time.

now back to the debate about health care reform....



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Originally posted by: BobOrme
I'm wondering just who the universal health care Utopians think is going to provide health care when/if all of Obama's plan goes into affect. My family doctor of more than 20 years took an early retirement in 2008 after the presidential election, citing expected costly measures that were sure to be in place in the near future (and he was right). After scrambling to find a new personal physician, last month I received a letter from him stating that some services would no longer be offered by his practice and while he is still open to accepting new Medicaid/Medicare patients, he doesn't think that will last very long.

Real doctors are running away from this attempt by the government to control them and their business practices by forcing a price structures down their collective throats that won't cover their actual costs. Universal health care won't increase the availability of quality treatment to a larger group of people. What it will do (and has already done) is force qualified health care providers out of their chosen professions. If allowed to continue, it will result in a significant decline in people willing to go to school for a dozen years to become doctors. Who would be willing to accumulate a quarter million (or more) dollars of debt in school loans to be a tool of a government-run system? Compassion is one thing. Economic reality is another.

Perhaps Money's bill is in anticipation of that doctor wanting to take an early retirement too. ...or it could be the cost of living in California.


When I start to see Medical schools closing because there aren't enough students to fill them, I'll concede your point. In the meantime, the 2010/2011 First Year class of US Medical Schools is some 13% larger than a decade ago.
I think its very premature that anything would be sent to collections since I just got the first bill last week. Its not even 30 days late. I kinda doubt anything will go to collections before its 90 days late.

and as I said earlier, there is a notation on the bill that says "payment plans accepted." So if there is a continued dispute I will just make payments of $10 a month.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
So if there is a continued dispute I will just make payments of $10 a month.

Would the courts take that as a sign that you acknowledge responsibility for the bill? All too often Judge Judy trips people up because they started making payments and then later try and claim that they never owed the money.
Good point KayPea... however, like other consumers I find myself in that space between a rock and the medical system. Unless the doctor changes the bill, or I file a complaint with the state regulators who might pressure the doctor someway, I am stuck no matter what I say.

it seems that there are two times you cannot argue and win:

1. you cannot argue with a firing squad (I got that from the movie about World War One from Ernest Hemingway's book A Farewell To Arms, in which the ambulance driver was planning his escape before stepping in front of the firing squad, great line. Yes, he got away, and the story continued.)

2. you cannot argue with a medical bill
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
2. you cannot argue with a medical bill


I tried once. An insurance company rejected a charge so the doctor billed me. I sent the doctor a letter requesting more information. I never got a reply. The doctor turned it over to a collection agency. I sent them a letter explaining that I was waiting on more information from the doctor. That was years ago and I've never heard from either of them again.
i've been ignoring a bill from a doctor for over a year. first time i got it, I wrote back and said it was in network and should be covered. they never replied but sent a second bill. I wrote back and said my HR person told me it was covered and shouldn't pay. Every three months or so they send another bill, which I know ignore.
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