OT My emergency room "doctor bill"

I believe that's not true at all.

I don't believe you'll find multiple reputable polls showing satisfaction in the pre-ACA health care system in the high 70% range. Heck, I don't think you'll find one.

I expect you'll find polls that say other things (that people like their doctors, that seniors like Medicaid, that ghosts are real), but not that.

Prove me wrong, I'll gladly apologize. In fact this is something I'd like to be wrong about, I'd like to think that Americans so overwhelmingly approve of the pre-ACA health care system.

Help me make that apology.

To get you started on what I suspect will be a fruitless search, try this:

Gallup Poll, Nov 9-12, 2006

"Now thinking about health care in the country as a whole: Overall, how would you rate health care coverage in this country -- as excellent, good, only fair, or poor?"

Excellent 6%
Good 19%
Only fair 41%
Poor 33%
Unsure 1%

And this:

CBS News Poll, Sep 14-16 2007

"Which do you think would be better for the country: having one health insurance program covering all Americans that would be administered by the government and paid for by taxpayers, or keeping the current system where many people get their insurance from private employers and some have no insurance?"

One program for all 55%
Current system 29%
Combination 3%
Neither 4%
Unsure 9%

Good luck, you're gonna need it.

People with good insurance that they don't for out of pocket love the current healthcare system.

Money, you have a wonderful knack of starting multi-page threads!

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Originally posted by: malibber
To quickly answer your question before I head out the door that would be the Secretary of Health and Human Services, she was paid $199,700 last year. Now here is what the CEOs for the leading health insurance companies made back in 2008: (they make more now)



Aetna, Ronald A. Williams: $24,300,112
Cigna, H. Edward Hanway: $12,236,740
Coventry, Dale Wolf: $9,047,469
Health Net, Jay Gellert: $4,425,355
Humana, Michael McCallister: $4,764,309
U. Health Group, Stephen J. Hemsley: $3,241,042
Wellpoint, Angela Braly: $9,844,212

Looks like the taxpayers are getting one hell of a deal.


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Canadian Prime Minister U.S. President
Salary: $317,574 $400,000
House/Retreat: y-both y-both
Armoured Car: y y
Aircraft: 2-shared use 2Boeing VC-25/USMC-Helicopter
Pension: not listed 191,300
Health Care Paid: OF COURSE for life

Perspective:

Looks to me like Ronald A. Williams could buy either of these guys a few times over. (maybe thats the wrong choice of words, or not

) The president and the prime minister of 2 of the greatest countries in the world would have to work over 20 yrs each to equal 1 yr compensation of good old Ronald A. ( makes you go hhhhhhmmmm...don't it?)

snidely333, daviddechenne, Chilcoot & PBINMN - you all make very valid observations! But I'm not sure that being logical, truthful, & rational is what some others here want. Then again, when this is apparently the only place some can find to endlessly promote their political viewpoints regardless of the topic that starts the thread, (even though Google lists almost 6,000,000 dedicated "Political Discussion Boards"), I know I should just consider the source. This is why I normally don't participate in the politicized threads here.

So, just a small, final observation: unless you can truthfully answer "Oui!" to the question "Parlez-vous francais?", (or you have an strong affection for a certain hockey team), we prefer to spell it ... Canadian!

That's it for my flag waving. Carry on...

Or this hoops,,,an older poll from 2003





Bottom Line

In all three countries, there is great variation of opinion within the population on both the quality of medical care and the availability of affordable healthcare. It is a testament to national health systems that people in Canada and Great Britain are significantly more satisfied with availability of affordable healthcare than their American counterparts are.

In Great Britain, satisfaction with access to affordable healthcare (43%) is consistent with satisfaction with quality (42%). In Canada, satisfaction with access to affordable healthcare (57%) is slightly higher than satisfaction with quality (52%). But the most dramatic variation in satisfaction with these two facets of the healthcare system occurs in the United States, where only 25% are satisfied with the availability of affordable healthcare, but 48% are satisfied with quality. Once again, this dichotomy seems to support the hypothesis that private healthcare encourages high-quality standards, but may be a barrier to access and affordability.

On a less relative basis, the fact that 72% of Americans say they are dissatisfied with the availability of affordable healthcare, and 50% are dissatisfied with the quality of medical care are cause for concern. Regardless of how these numbers measure up to those in Canada and Great Britain, they indicate that the U.S. healthcare system has considerable room for improvement.

*Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,000 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted Jan. 13-16, 2003. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3%.

**Canadian results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly selected national sample of approximately 1,000 Canadian adults, aged 18 and older, conducted Feb. 3-9, 2003. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects is ±3%.

In less than 1 minute I found this information.

Studies show that a surprisingly large 70 percent of the estimated 46 million Americans who don't have insurance say they do, in fact, receive health care, and that a vast majority of them are satisfied with it.
A survey conducted jointly by the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their own personal medical care

Those with recent serious health problems, possibly the people with the best knowledge of how health care is working, were generally the most satisfied. Ninety-three percent of insured Americans who had recently suffered a serious illness were satisfied with their health care. So were 95 percent of those who suffered from chronic illness.

A June 2009 poll by ABC News and the Washington Post found that 42 percent of respondents were "very satisfied" with their health plan and 39 percent were "somewhat satisfied." Just 11 percent were "somewhat dissatisfied" and 8 percent were "very dissatisfied." Meanwhile, a July 2009 poll by Abt SRBI for Time magazine found 53 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied, 9 percent somewhat dissatisfied and 4 percent very dissatisfied. A Quinnipiac University poll found 49 percent very satisfied, 36 percent somewhat satisfied, 10 percent somewhat dissatisfied and 4 percent very dissatisfied.

Even a survey by a Democratic polling firm — Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research for Democracy Corps — found the same general contours. In that June 2009 poll, 44 percent said they were very satisfied, 27 percent said they were somewhat satisfied, 11 percent said they were somewhat dissatisfied and 14 percent said they were very dissatisfied.

Gallup asks the question somewhat differently in a survey conducted every November. Between 2001 and 2008, 20 to 28 percent of respondents rated their health care coverage "excellent" while between 39 and 51 percent rated their coverage "good."

Looks like there is a "PRIVATIZE" lobby here in the great white north,,,GOOD LUCK WITH THAT...hahaha



and my favourite,,,(i'll shut-up now too)



Poll shows Canadians overwhelmingly support public health care
The Canadian Medical Association (CMA) is trying to persuade Canadians that their public health care system should be privatised, but a new poll conducted by the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support — 86.2 percent — for strengthening public health care rather than expanding for-profit services.
“With more than 8 in 10 Canadians supporting public solutions to make public health care stronger, there is compelling evidence that Canadians across all demographics would prefer a public over a for-profit health care system,” said Nik Nanos, president of Nanos Research.
Nanos Research was commissioned by the Canadian Health Coalition (CHC), a nonpartisan group that supports Canada’s public health system, to conduct a random telephone survey of 1,001 Canadians between April 25 and May 3
The Canadian government has released its report “Healthy Canadians — A Federal Report on Comparable Health Indicators 2008,” whose findings also show that “Most Canadians (85.2 percent) aged 15 years and older reported being ‘very satisfied’ or ‘somewhat satisfied’ with the way overall health care services were provided, unchanged from 2005.”
Michael McBane, national coordinator of the CHC, commented: “Throughout our campaign, Canadians have told us they want to keep our health care system public and to improve it with made-in-Canada solutions. They also have told us they flat-out reject [CMA President] Dr. Ouellet’s proposal to provide us with American-style, two-tier medicine. This poll certainly underlines that for us. Eighty-six percent is a significant portion of the population. It is striking that Dr. Ouellet could be so out of touch with the pulse of most Canadians.”

Read more here: https://www.medicare.ca./new-poll-shows-overwhelming-support-for-public-health-care

Did they ask them HOW THEY LIKE THEIR BILL?? No doubt the US has great healthcare/doctors/equipment etc,,,that is not at all the point...its what happens to those non or less-insured that matters.

How satisfied are you with your bypass surgery: VERY
How satisfied are you with the $250k invoice: umm...NOT SO MUCH

Cool. As I predicted, you were able to find polls showing that Americans like their doctors.

So now that you've finished that, perhaps you can find polls supporting your statement that 70 percent of Americans were satisfied with the system.

Again, good luck.