please explain the difference

Haha
Hmmm. If we listen to people like Chilcoot and Forkie, you should convict, no matter how weak the prosecution's case is. I'm guessing these are two people who would have supported lynching in the past.
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Hmmm. If we listen to people like Chilcoot and Forkie, you should convict, no matter how weak the prosecution's case is. I'm guessing these are two people who would have supported lynching in the past.
I know it kills you to not be the urinal cake of EVERY pissing match 'round here. But jumping in with that comment was particularly stupid.

Maybe take the night off, rest up, and wait for the next guy who hates you to hand you your ass again.

The difference is George Zimmerman deeply embarrassed Republican politicians in Florida. Needing to take the heat off themselves for passing SYG they decided to offer up old George as a sacrifice to appease the masses and save their own bacon. They wanted Zimmerman to take a fall so badly they even resorted to cheating to get the conviction.

I’d suggest anyone traveling to or living in Florida always be packing heat when you leave the house. If you find yourself in some sort of confrontation pull that gun out and start shooting because that other party has the absolute right to shoot you the moment that confrontation begins no matter how minor.


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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
Really getting tired of the media hyping the "trevon" case that it is racially motivated. My question would be this

Last year 2 young black men/boys robbed a white mother. While doing this they shot her 13 month old baby in the face! So we heard this in the media for what maybe a couple days to a week.

So what's the difference? The baby did not try to "fight" back, now that is a victim!

The difference must be cause the victims were white?

You really had to wonder when his female friend that he was talking with on the phone at the time explained. Just what "white cracker ass" meant! not racial at all! what a joke, get her the hell away from the media her IQ shortage is glowing in this.



I thought this wasn't a SYG case though. The defense didn't invoke that, and it wasn't decided on that basis, correct?

To be honest I'm not sure I fully understand how that works. If anyone can enlighten me I'd love to understand it better.

C



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Originally posted by: malibber2
The difference is George Zimmerman deeply embarrassed Republican politicians in Florida. Needing to take the heat off themselves for passing SYG they decided to offer up old George as a sacrifice to appease the masses and save their own bacon. They wanted Zimmerman to take a fall so badly they even resorted to cheating to get the conviction.

I’d suggest anyone traveling to or living in Florida always be packing heat when you leave the house. If you find yourself in some sort of confrontation pull that gun out and start shooting because that other party has the absolute right to shoot you the moment that confrontation begins no matter how minor.


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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
Really getting tired of the media hyping the "trevon" case that it is racially motivated. My question would be this

Last year 2 young black men/boys robbed a white mother. While doing this they shot her 13 month old baby in the face! So we heard this in the media for what maybe a couple days to a week.

So what's the difference? The baby did not try to "fight" back, now that is a victim!

The difference must be cause the victims were white?

You really had to wonder when his female friend that he was talking with on the phone at the time explained. Just what "white cracker ass" meant! not racial at all! what a joke, get her the hell away from the media her IQ shortage is glowing in this.



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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Hmmm. If we listen to people like Chilcoot and Forkie, you should convict, no matter how weak the prosecution's case is. I'm guessing these are two people who would have supported lynching in the past.
I know it kills you to not be the urinal cake of EVERY pissing match 'round here. But jumping in with that comment was particularly stupid.

Maybe take the night off, rest up, and wait for the next guy who hates you to hand you your ass again.




Ahhh isn't that nice. You want him convicted no matter how weak the case was. Please tell me where I'm wrong in that statement? Oh BTW, who are you to dictate that you are somehow higher and mightier with the nonsense and the threads you have ruined in the past on this board?

I know you somehow put yourself on a higher plateau than some on this board, but just like Forkie, you divert, you distort, and rarely ever give all of the facts. I understand your frustration at being socially shunned, but you do it to yourself.

Please do all of us a favor and spare us your feigned indignation.
The number one cause of death among young blacks is homicide.

Over 90% of blacks murdered in the US are by other blacks.

You don't see sharpton/jackson/obama protesting over that
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Originally posted by: hoops2
The number one cause of death among young blacks is homicide.

Over 90% of blacks murdered in the US are by other blacks.

You don't see sharpton/jackson/obama protesting over that


I'm all for thugs killing each other off.
Building a better tomorrow.

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Originally posted by: Campion
I thought this wasn't a SYG case though. The defense didn't invoke that, and it wasn't decided on that basis, correct?

To be honest I'm not sure I fully understand how that works. If anyone can enlighten me I'd love to understand it better.

C
Self-Defense, The Duty to Retreat, and The Castle Doctrine. and Stand Your Ground [simplified]

Self Defense is the right for civilians to engage in a level of violence, called reasonable force or defensive force, for the sake of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including, in certain circumstances, the use of deadly force. Typically deadly force is considered justified, and a defense of justifiable homicide applicable, in cases "when the actor reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to himself or another".

The Duty to Retreat addresses a legal requirement in many States that, in order to claim self-defense a defendant must prove that he had first avoided conflict and secondly, had taken reasonable steps to retreat and so demonstrated an intention not to fight before eventually using force.

The Castle Doctrine designates a person's home (or, in some states, other legally-occupied place [e.g., a vehicle or workplace]) as a place in which that person has certain protections and immunities permitting him, in certain circumstances, to use force (up to and including deadly force) to defend against an intruder -- free from legal responsibility/prosecution for the consequences of the force used.
i.e. The Castle Doctrine removes the Duty to Retreat if one is in one's own home; "a man's home is his castle."
[This Law is the basis for the oft-repeated declaration that if one were to shoot someone dead, he would be well advised to make sure the deceased was found inside his domicile, . . . even if one had to drag him back inside.]

"Stand Your Ground" is nothing more than an extension of the Castle Doctrine beyond one's home, . . . and even beyond one's vehicle or workplace, . . . in fact, to "any place where one has a right to be".

Florida's Stand Your Ground Law:
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
F.S. §776.013(3)

Re: State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman

The Defense could have invoked the Stand Your Ground Law, so as to avoid having to prove that Mr. Zimmerman had failed to retreat.
However, the Defense did not invoke the Stand Your Ground Law, and instead presented a straightforward Self Defense case on the basis that Mr. Zimmerman was attacked suddenly, could not retreat, and feared imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to himself.

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If the defense had invoked the "Stand Your Ground Law" there would have been a pretrial immunity hearing; a judge would have ruled whether Zimmerman's actions were protected under the law; a ruling in favor of the defendant would have meant that no criminal or civil trial could proceed.

The defense opined their case was strong enough to gain acquittal on the criminal charge.

The "Stand Your Ground Law" may still be invoked to prevent a subsequent civil trial. The Not Guilty verdict in the criminal trial may aid their argument.
About 2,000 people showed up on Saturday, about 1,000 in LA and less than a thousand in Miami for the martin protests.

Looks like more of a media story than anything else
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