Puerto Rico Default

Here's my simple solution. Sell Puerto Rico to China for a few hundred billion. US Citizens born there before the sale can choose to come to the US mainland or be included with the sale. We get some money for a losing asset and China gets a nice new island which they seem to like. Everybody wins.
So the pj solution is a bailout?
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Originally posted by: hoops2
So the pj solution is a bailout?


No. And the solution is not a slogan either.

I believe Congress is looking at a debt restructuring- among other options. I'm not hip to all the details. Doing "nothing" really isn't an option unless you want all states to collectively spend a trillion dollars more in interest. Even Ayn Rand Disciple, Paul Ryan, understands that. I suggest you send him an angry email if you disagree. And don't forget to complain about his golf time.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
So the pj solution is a bailout?
, . . . blah, blah, blah, . . . not a slogan, . . . blah, blah, blah, . . .
I believe Congress is looking at a debt restructuring- among other options. I'm not hip to all the details.
Ah-hah ! And this will recompense those who purchased high-interest, tax-free, high risk bonds. And at the expense of, . . . whom, exactly?
[HINT: The answer starts with "t" and ends with "axpayer". - DD]

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Doing "nothing" really isn't an option unless you want all states to collectively spend a trillion dollars more in interest. Even Ayn Rand Disciple, Paul Ryan, understands that.
Doing nothing is always an option.

State and Municipalities should consider market forces in their decisions to issue new debt; if the interest rate is unaffordable, they should not borrow the money. Whether an individual or a Governmental entity one should not live beyond one's means.

DonDiego is pleased to see pjstroh praising the intellect of the Republican Speaker of the House, . . . even when he is wrong on the decision.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
. . . blah, blah, blah, . . . angry email, . . . . blah, blah, blah, golf time, . . . blah, blah, blah.
[Nonsense removed to protect pjstroh's reputation for cogent argument, if any. - DD]

I struck a nerve with poor old DonDiego.

I don't have a horse in the race of the Puerto Rican crisis - nor do I have a particularly strong opinion on the matter. I simply point out "bailouts" aren't the only ways taxpayers can be on the hook.

- Increased debt payments for all states (even poor old DonDiegos can result)
- Mass unemployment in Puerto Rico resulting from DonDIego's free market utopia could result in more welfare, food stamp, and healthcare aid coming from taxpayers.
- More crime resulting from DonDiego's free market utopian solution in Puerto Rico would result in taxpayers paying for more incarceration
- Every taxpayer with investments in the cruise industry, resort/hotel industry would see some negative return on their investments with a failed Puerto Rican state...not to mention US Mainlanders who own real estate in that region.
- A mass influx of non-white people might invade the US mainland from Puerto Rico (maybe even next door to DonDiego) to look for a better atmosphere to start over.

So, in summary, even though the lights are still on in Appalachia its not accurate to suggest there is no taxpayer cost associated with doing nothing. But like I told Hoops - feel free to send an angry email to bailout czar, Paul Ryan, if you disagree.








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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I struck a nerve with poor old DonDiego.

Nope. DonDiego is not distressed by anything which pjstroh has expressed.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I don't have a horse in the race of the Puerto Rican crisis - nor do I have a particularly strong opinion on the matter. I simply point out "bailouts" aren't the only ways taxpayers can be on the hook.

- Increased debt payments for all states (even poor old DonDiegos can result)
[DonDiego says let the market for bonds work, i.e. reflect the realities of the marketplace; if a State cannot afford to borrow money, it shouldn't.]

- Mass unemployment in Puerto Rico resulting from DonDIego's free market utopia could result in more welfare, food stamp, and healthcare aid coming from taxpayers.
[Bad decisions by one's Government result in bad outcomes for their citizens. DonDiego opines that welfare provided by tax-paying citizens are not exempt from limits; expanded Government handouts are not the solution to everything.]

- More crime resulting from DonDiego's free market utopian solution in Puerto Rico would result in taxpayers paying for more incarceration
[Laws should be enforced; if they are not enforced they should be repealed. DonDiego makes a habit of avoiding high crime areas; he recommends this behavior to others.]

- Every taxpayer with investments in the cruise industry, resort/hotel industry would see some negative return on their investments with a failed Puerto Rican state...not to mention US Mainlanders who own real estate in that region.
[It is not the job of the US taxpayer to recompense those who have made financial decisions based upon poor research, . . . or perhaps even the expectation that the Government would recompense them for losses !
Have the Wall Street Big-Wigs who were bailed out last decade expressed any thankfulness to the taxpayers, . . . ever ?]

- A mass influx of non-white people might invade the US mainland from Puerto Rico (maybe even next door to DonDiego) to look for a better atmosphere to start over.
[Citizens of Puerto Rico have the right to emigrate to the Mainland; DonDiego has no objection to those who choose to do so in search of a better life. If émigrés move next door to poor old DonDiego he supposes they will appreciate his agronomic skills in hot pepper production more than his current neighbors.]

So, in summary, even though the lights are still on in Appalachia its not accurate to suggest there is no taxpayer cost associated with doing nothing.
[DonDiego never thought otherwise. Let the markets work. DonDiego supposes any "solution" which reduces poor old DonDiego's costs is likely to benefit most of his fellow taxpayers as well.]

But like I told Hoops - feel free to send an angry email to bailout czar, Paul Ryan, if you disagree.
[Like DonDiego explained above, he is not angry.]


Like PJ, I have no dog in this hunt. Puerto Rico has already lost 10% of its population most of which is now in the good ol' US of A. Do something, do nothing, I really don't care. But I will suggest that those most interested in this crisis (and Dems know well, you can never let a good crisis go to waste!) are Democrat leaders in Illinois and California. Bail out Puerto Rico and guess who is going to be next in line.

My view, and I will be the first to admit, I don't care much about it......if Puerto Rico was a state, we gotta do what we gotta do. Since they aren't a state and in fact DON'T want statehood, remove all benefits and let them fend for themselves. LOL, I don't say this very often, but PJ is right! There are costs for doing something, and there are costs for doing nothing.

Let's balance OUR budget and unload as much of OUR debt as possible and hopefully get our economy back. Taking on additional debt for a territory doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
Folks need to stop looking at how to fix the problem and start back to the American citizens age old pastime of laying blame.

This is Obama's fault.

When the debt in question was issued the recession was supposed to be ending. The economy was supposed to be rebounding. Tourism (PR's biggest industry)which had been faltering and causing the need for more and more bonds/borrowing was supposed to be on the mend. Yet the recession hasn't ended, the economy hasn't rebounded and the tourist haven't returned with pockets full of cash.

I'm sure someone will come along with some pretty graphs and statistics to say that isn't true. Well, show all that gobbledygook to the restaurant owners, hoteliers and kite vendors at El Morro. They know the truth.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
- A mass influx of non-white people might invade the US mainland from Puerto Rico (maybe even next door to DonDiego) to look for a better atmosphere to start over.
[Citizens of Puerto Rico have the right to emigrate to the Mainland; DonDiego has no objection to those who choose to do so in search of a better life. If émigrés move next door to poor old DonDiego he supposes they will appreciate his agronomic skills in hot pepper production more than his current neighbors.]



Perhaps DonDiego should hope for émigrés from the Orient to appreciate his farming skills.

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