the "good" VP hands when you don't need them.

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Originally posted by: Random
MoneyLA,

You hope they are?

It seems to me that one has to have a level of confidence that they are playing a fair game. If a player suspects that the game they are playing is not following the specific rules set for the game and the playing field is not level, I would advise them to not play.

If on the other hand, you accept that the video poker games you play are in fact randomly dealing cards, then you must conclude that these apparent anomalies are part of the random results.

The cases you cite, such as getting AAAA while playing deuces or 2222 while playing DB is also something that I have experienced and the ironic nature of such results is not lost on me. I do not however, ascribe these incidents to anything other than random ironic results. They stand out like a sore thumb because of the credits they would have racked up on another paytable. This is what makes them memorable amongst the blur of all the unremarkable hands. The fact that they jump out at you is what leads one to imagining that they are of a frequency not explainable within a random sample.


Random I dont disagree with what you say. But I have a lot of sore thumbs. LOL
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
It really makes you wonder if there are "certain programs" for certain games??


You can counter the effect of the "certain programs" if you wear a tinfoil hat while playing the games.
MoneyLA,

My best wishes on the future health of your thumbs. :-)

I hear what you are saying. I am just a recreational player, but I have played a lot of hands over many years. I have had my own doubts at points along the way, but my doubts about fairness and randomness invariably coincided with periods of poor results.

When I look at my results over the years however, they serve as testimony that if in fact the games were rigged, the person doing the rigging did a piss poor job, or I am exceptionally lucky, because my cumulative play results are very close to the theoretical payback.
Well, my musings may just be musings. But my thumbs are still sore.

But there is evidence for a "conspiracy theory" though I would probably defend the casino for having fair games.

However, I forgot to mention... we experienced this at an Indian casino... where most of our VP play is. Though operated by Harrahs/Caesars and we are playing on IGT machines, who knows what the heck they do there??

I'll play my money there, because I can afford to lose my money that I play. Would I risk my life on it? LOL

While the NGC says all manufacturers licensed to make games for Nevada must have the same "fair rules" for games they market outside of Nevada, who knows what happens to those games once they are out of state??

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
While the NGC says all manufacturers licensed to make games for Nevada must have the same "fair rules" for games they market outside of Nevada, who knows what happens to those games once they are out of state??


Little alien nano-bots are set free inside them just to play havoc with your mind.

Careful, Arc. There have been convictions for tampering with slots... even in Nevada. People have gone to jail, and I know of one poor fellow who was killed over it.

Ive also been in Indian casinos where a tech came over to a slot after a big jackpot was hit on a slot machine and switched the chip in the slot. Now, Im not an expert at slots or the mechanics of them, but Ive never seen a tech switch out a chip after a jackpot was hit. Have you?
I absolutely believe that these games are not random. There is a unmistakable difference in the amount of winners delt, or drawn, between JOB and any of the more volatile games.

You may say to me "prove it" if I suggest these games are not random. I say to you "prove it" that the are random.
I have to return to my question of why someone would continue to play if they had no confidence that the game they were playing was operating in a fair manner. If you suspect you are being cheated walk away. Cheat me once shame on you, cheat me twice shame on me.
I dont have any confidence that I will wake up in the morning... but I still go to bed at night.

However, I do not play three card games on top of cardboard boxes on street corners run by Big Willy.

I also do not buy mortgage backed securities from a few guys in North Miami who I put in jail back in the 1980s.

However, I have bought investments from Merrill and lost more money than I ever lost in a casino. And Merrill never gave me free drinks, show tickets, free meals, or free hotel rooms.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, call it "random hands" or call it "selective memory" but it stands out like very sore thumbs...

A few weeks ago I join slapinfunk at a machine and to "kill time" I feed one $100 bill into a $1 JOB machine and I get quads like there is no tomorrow. Then slapinfunk is on a $1 JOB and he's dealt quad aces with a kicker, and quad deuces a few hands later.

And then there was the "session" that made me a regular DDB player at Caesars a few years back... playing the $5 JOB progressive, I keep getting dealt quads with kickers (not bad but only $625 per quad) and when I switch to DDB I get junk till Im broke.

And it happens like this over and over and over...

You rationalize it saying "its just random" or "its just your selective memory" but... it happens like this over and over and over...

doesn't it? Makes you wonder...


If you were getting all kinds of quads at JOB why would you quit? You should have made a ton of money. I'm sure the casino programmed them so you could always win.


Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
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