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Originally posted by: pjstroh
__I've said from day one on this forum that people should wait to see the facts before rendering judgement. Lying is a sin. Believing a lie is an attribute of gullible people that don't pay attention to facts. That's true of people who believe Trayvon Martin was innocent...and its true of people who believe the new healthcare law kills jobs.
[i. DonDiego doesn't understand the reference to Travon Martin being innocent. DonDiego is unaware of a charge against Travon Martin.
ii. Although implementation of Obamacare did force DonDiego's physician out of private practice, DonDiego has not suggested Obamacare "kills jobs"; he suspects it has created lots of administrative/pencil-pushing jobs.]
ii. DonDiego requests pjstroh cite poor old DonDiego's reference to "Missouri citizens" in the original post; DonDiego cannot find it. For the record: DonDiego objects to anyone anywhere spreading the false assertion that Mr. Brown was surrendering and had his hands raised. For the record DonDiego objects to anyone anywhere who committed violence based upon the false assertion.]
Originally posted by: pjstroh
__I've said from day one on this forum that people should wait to see the facts before rendering judgement. Lying is a sin. Believing a lie is an attribute of gullible people that don't pay attention to facts. That's true of people who believe Trayvon Martin was innocent...and its true of people who believe the new healthcare law kills jobs.
[i. DonDiego doesn't understand the reference to Travon Martin being innocent. DonDiego is unaware of a charge against Travon Martin.
ii. Although implementation of Obamacare did force DonDiego's physician out of private practice, DonDiego has not suggested Obamacare "kills jobs"; he suspects it has created lots of administrative/pencil-pushing jobs.]
Quote[i. DonDiego thanks pjstroh for acknowledging that poor old DonDiego is right, even if only "probably"; this matter really is the crux of the whole "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" narrative, the original point of this thread.
Originally posted by: pjstrohQuote__Probably right. But your initial post referenced the perspective of Missouri citizens . . . and now you've changed your focus singly to the people that rioted, . . . but poor old DonDiego fails to see why it would matter anyway.
Originally posted by: DonDiegoThere was one cause of the riots: people interested in fomenting hatred of police and mayhem in the community spread a lie, . . . that Mr. Brown had his hands up and was surrendering, . . . and people who wanted, really wanted to believe the lie (over the truth promulgated by the authorities) used it as an excuse to riot . . . blah, . . . blah, . . .blah . . .
ii. DonDiego requests pjstroh cite poor old DonDiego's reference to "Missouri citizens" in the original post; DonDiego cannot find it. For the record: DonDiego objects to anyone anywhere spreading the false assertion that Mr. Brown was surrendering and had his hands raised. For the record DonDiego objects to anyone anywhere who committed violence based upon the false assertion.]
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Originally posted by: pjstrohQuote__Oh, that's just sad. Where have I ever excused people for rioting? ANywhere? DonDIego is officially guilty of spreading a lie which by his own definition makes him "evil". I can find a DonDiego post making the case for bloody revolution on the Clive Bundy thread but you find anything remotely that ignorant coming from my keyboard.
Originally posted by: DonDiego
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By the way, . . . even if the false narrative had been true, . . . that a good, decent young man had been slain in the act of surrendering by a vicious officer of the law intent on foul play, and the police were lying, . . . does pjstroh actually believe that would justify rioting?
In addition to respecting others' property, DonDiego, has read some about manipulations of mobs by unscrupulous "leaders"; sometimes it goes pretty far - like genocide and such. He would be very reluctant to join a mob, especially one destroying and stealing the property of one's fellow citizens. But, . . . to each his own; if pjstroh thinks it's OK, . . .well, OK. All the more reason to keep poor old DonDiego's address a secret from pjstroh.
[i. DonDiego asked pjstroh if he thought the riots were justified if the narrative were true; he did not accuse pjstroh of excusing it.
ii. DonDiego requests pjstroh note the use of the term "if", in reference to the possibility that pjstroh's answer would be that the riots were justified. He heartily endorse pjstroh's position not excusing the rioters.
iii. Re: Mr. Bundy. DonDiego has consistently advocated for enforcement of Laws as written, including any which Mr. Bundy may have violated. DonDiego's sole reference to violent revolution was a quote from Thomas Jefferson in which Mr. Jefferson expressed his opinion that violence was to be expected under the Constitution which he had helped institute if the People felt an oppressive Government were violating the limitations placed upon it by that Constitution. DonDiego supposes that was precisely the mindset of those supporting Mr. Bundy. DonDiego was not among them. DonDiego did not endorse violence or "bloody revolution. He simply suggested if there were violence, Mr. Jefferson had foreseen it. (n.b So far as poor old DonDiego knows, the Federal forces retreated from the standoff and Mr. Bundy got away with violation of whatever Law he was accused of violating. Mustn't have been important after all, . . .)
