"I've lost 10 of 14 sessions ... yet, I'm still ahead for the year."

How many of you who feel you are ap players keep detailed statistics of your volume of play / win loss info?

Can figure if you hit 4oak every x number of hands over the lax x number played over x amount of time?

Id love to see that kind of data... win or lose

It has nothing to do with feelings. It's just mathematics. This isn't a big mystery; advantage play is not a "system." An advantage player is SIMPLY someone who DOESN'T PLAY unless the odds are in his favor. (And yes, the odds CAN be calculated. 1+1 does =2. It isn't rocket surgery).

Because you mentioned the Dancer play of $25 triple play ... again. It demonstrated a bias on your part. In so many words, you claimed it was stupid and I simply told you that many people would find what you do equivalent. Why? Because it is outside their comfort zone.

Just trying to get you see that it is your bias getting in the way instead of there being anything inherently wrong with the Dancer play. This is the 3rd or 4th time you have brought it up. Why should you care what denomination he plays, and why should the denomination make any difference to the theory of advantage play.

Yes, I keep stats but my game is OEJs and since it has wild cards the premium hands are above 4oak. I track SFs, 5oaks, WildRF and RFs. For example, I had 584 SFs. I should have had 563.1 for the year. So, I was slightly ahead. I was slightly behind on 5oaks and WRFs but significantly ahead in RFs.

I accomplish this very simply. I track my points. I know how many hands are played for each point. I take an index card with me and have it set up with rows for each premium hand type. I place a mark when I get one. Only takes a second and then I input that into a spreadsheet when I get home. I have to track my play for tax purposes so this is just a small addition to that required task.

Graph?

And wouldn't the casino keep track of your coin in / win / loss?

The IRS does not have to accept casino win/loss statements. The law requires a personal log.

More crap from the Arc.
Show us the law. Good luck with that. It has been standard practice or a recommendation but there is no stinking law.

Sorry if you didn't like the word "law". However, it has the affect of a law since the taxpayer has no recourse but to pay the tax/fines/interest if they can't produce a log. They could easily lose all their gambling loss deductions without it. Isn't that right?

Well, Dr Arcimedes... so now, in addition to being a computer whiz you are also a Psychiatrist.

Sorry buddy.

My point before and continues to be that the guy said he played VP at $375 per push of the button to ONLY win $250,000 per year. And if you recall from the ORIGINAL conversation (some time ago) he said that HALF of that $250,000 win came from cashback (which probably no longer exists) while the other half actually came from playing a positive DW machine.

So my point then as it is today is that the risk to reward is very low. That's a really rough grind and except for the one eyed jacks machines you play in Minnesota is probably hard to find.

Tell me, the way things are going with cash back and comps being cut, do you think advantage play will even be possible a couple of years from now?

edited to add:

If all you want is 1% or 2% on your money, I have a better gamble for you: sell covered calls. In fact, I can guarantee you that you will NEVER lose money. You will NEVER say "I've lost 10 of 14 sessions ... yet, I'm still ahead for the year."

have you ever looked at the grocery business? That requires large investments for a low return.