"Winning"???

I'd like to open with a story: I first became aware of this odd mental confabulation when I was in charge of training new photographic printers at the MGM for Cashman Photo, shortly after the casino opened. The lab manger, Peter, a cockney from Britain, proudly exclaimed that he had “won” $200 down pub the previous night. At the end of our shift, I inquired if he'd like to grab a pint tonight and after searching though his wallet, informed me that he didn't feel he had enough funds. I queried him as to what had happened to his “winnings” from last night, and he abashedly admitted that he must have lost $400 or $500 winning the $200 and couldn't afford another trip this week.

This was my first exposure to this particular definition of winning, “hitting a jackpot regardless of cost”. It would not be the last. Since then I have read many books on pathological gambling which more or less unanimously agree that this is a risk factor for problem gambling. Poor Peter did indeed go on to have major gambling issues, and eventually went back across the pond penniless.

After writing this post, I passed it on to a practicing psychologist that specializes in addiction treatment to make sure I had not overstated the medical communities current thinking. Though it is in my writing style it is less my opinion and far more a paraphrase of what I've read on the subject in the most modern literature. The intent is to let you know how clinicians and research scientists perceive this issue.

Please note that cognitive distortions are not by themselves considered insanities. They are considered components in the formation and maintenance of certain psychiatric conditions. It is possible to have mild to moderate cognitive distortion without qualifying as “crazy”. The classification of Severe cognitive distortion is reserved for things that would qualify you for treatment. Most of what I'm discussing here is considered “mild” by itself, if no other factors are present.


Why Gamblers Redefine “Winning”.
I think it might be useful to start out by stating the dictionary definition of 'winning' which is the one I use.

1.Noun: Money won, esp. by gambling
2.Adjective: Gaining, resulting in, or relating to victory in a contest or competition

I looked up 'winning' in several dictionaries. In none of them did I find any reference to a time limit or statute of limitations on previous results. If we stick to the dictionary definition, you must be ahead overall to claim winning. It's fairly clear that some/most people don't use the word correctly and claim small temporary refunds of their lifetime losses as 'winning', or even losing money to hit a jackpot as in our opening story. They use 'winning' to denote a loss reduction. If this were a mere error in nomenclature, one could almost forgive it. The problem is that not only do people use the word incorrectly, (here I'm using “incorrectly” only to mean “departure from dictionary definition”) they perceive it incorrectly as well, with potentially dire results.

Don't obsess on the words usage. Even if we accept that the dictionary definition is wrong, because it does not account for colloquial use, it is the meaning behind the word that is the issue. If you handed me $2,000 and I handed you back $1,000, you would not immediately turn to a friend and proudly exclaim a $1,000 win. Neither would you claim a win if the same transaction occurred over days or weeks. The reason the loss (not win) here is clear is we don't declare the transaction terminated until it has been completed. In gambling, such as video poker, we add imaginary lines of demarcation that give the illusion of completion, even though the transaction is ongoing. Casinos take deliberate advantage of this weakness, which is why almost every machine now has a nice little window that tells you how much you have 'won' irrespective of your coin in.
It's the new math: -100 coins + 35 coins = a 35 coin 'win'

This particular cognitive distortion, where gamblers redefine a reduction of losses as 'winning', has been found to be one of the greatest risk factors in the development of gambling problems, present in nearly 100% of all pathological gamblers screened. Its prevalence is unclear in the general populace. People with the severe form of this distortion will discount all their losses and claim any jackpot hit as a win. If they change machines during play, only the ones with positive results will be remembered, and even if they are down thousands of dollars during a single trip to the casino overall their minds will record having 'won'. A key ingredient here may be reduced reactivity to negative stimuli and over-stimulation to reward. (Side Note: This trait has been frequently found in criminal behavior, where felons risked years of incarceration for trivial rewards. Current research is pointing to a strong genetic component ~recent issue of Science).

Let's be clear on this: If you told a psychologist that you were winning a thousand dollars this week, and they followed up your statement by asking you your lifetime results, and you then answered that you were behind overall, they would write this down on your chart and possibly send you for a full psych evaluation. This doesn't rise to the level of insanity, but it is considered a serious risk factor for pathological gambling and is a sign of cognitive distortion (mild, if no other factors are present). If you have this particular issue, it will likely not be possible for you to understand the concept. You'll have to settle for understanding that it is considered a problem by the medical community. They would not care why you gamble, they'd mark your chart and move on.

This distortion appears to be mostly confined to gambling involving independent random events which occur over time, if they do not inherently provide the person experiencing them a method to accurately evaluate their total results at a glance. For instance, in the stock market the distortion largely disappears. I have never personally heard a trader claim a sale, regardless of the size, as a win, if they sold the stock for less than they bought it for. Certainly, they might end the day with $100,000 more in cash than they started with after a sale, but if the stock cost them $100,001, they do not claim it as 'winning'. Stock Traders don't even tend to claim winning in the market at all, unless they are ahead overall for their life. Of course a quick glance at their portfolios is all that is required to snap them back to reality, even if they wanted to experience this particular distortion. The stock market is a form of gambling; the difference is that it is one with built in forced record keeping.

People that hock or sell their jewelry do not claim the infusion of money as 'winning' unless they get more for it than they bought it for. A reclaiming of monies previously spent or lost, is never seen as winning, except in casinos. No football team would claim to be winning after a touchdown if they were still behind in total score. In almost all other walks of life, except for gambling, to be winning, one must actually be winning (ahead), and this is usually irrespective of time frame. Even if a stock trader had held onto stock for 50 years, they would not claim a win if they sold it for less, half a century later. Reference to results over arbitrary time spans (such as “today”), that discount the past, only seem to rear their ugly head in gambling.

One cognitive distortion that appears to effect both casino goers and stock traders alike is illusory control: The overestimation of the effect that one's voluntary actions have over random events. This leads to causation errors where one believes something they did, rather than random chance, influenced the outcome. It is a highly self-reinforcing belief as it is never possible to go back in time and test the road not taken. It's too broad a subject to cover here. I recommend a book called The Drunkard's Walk.

By this point, for those readers who have any cognitive distortion, their justification engines are in full swing and the “but I only gamble for fun” argument is ringing in their heads. It should be obvious to all but the most distorted that whether you gamble for fun or professionally, this only effects your motivation and intent. The thoughts in your head do not have the power to alter the physical reality of what happens to you in a casino. Your thoughts and intent do have the power to alter your perception of that reality, which is why recreational gamblers can experience results identical to the results of a professional gambler but mentally record them differently. It is a completely subconscious process, and no one who does it is aware that they are doing it. In fact, if one becomes aware of it, the distortion mostly disappears.

Here is the process:
If one gambles for “fun” their brains overemphasize momentary upswings in random fluctuations, dismiss or discard negative trends, and parse continuous results into disparate segments that allow the mind to classify parts of a downward slope as “winning”. Cognitive dissonance (unwillingness of the human mind to admit fault) drives this happy spin process, and the more negative the experience, the more committed the human mind becomes to “enjoy” it, creating fabricated justifications left and right to convince itself it is having “fun”. It is not clear yet how much of the “fun” of gambling comes from this cycle: negative experience > denial > justification. It is only clear that it is a major component in why people derive enjoyment from the activity. Another reinforcing component is the random variable reward schedule, which has been found to be the best at ingraining animal and human behavior alike. Except here the “reward” isn't even really a net positive reward. Imagine Pavlov's experiments if the animals had to gamble what food they already had to get more, with eventual starvation as the result. Because the time span is expanded, the effect becomes almost imperceptible. A net negative penalty is seen as a positive reward because of the slow variable reward schedule.

No one can argue that gamblers don't have “fun”. The issue is the source of that fun. If winning is fun, then their brains become highly motivated to morph anything, even a loss reduction, into “winning”. The result is distorted thinking > motivational conditioning.

I have said pretty much all I can on this subject, so if you still don't understand the issue, I recommend reading any modern book on gambling addiction. They all have references to this topic, and naturally state it better than I can in a brief web-post.

My favorite book on gambling to date is: Best Possible Odds by Dr. William McCown and Dr. Linda L. Chamberlain (Note: it is written for doctors at the graduate level) Dr. McCown's latest book Treating Gambling Problems is less informative, but more accessible to the layman.

Since I'm reasonably sure no one would like to think that they are being manipulated by casinos, try this: Keep accurate lifetime records. If you are down money in casinos overall for your life, the next time you hit a jackpot rather than declare it as a win exclaim instead:

“I'm now losing $xxx less than I was, and I'm only down $x,xxx,xxx dollars overall.”

If this in no way reduces your enjoyment of the experience, you can rest assured that your “fun” is not the result of this particular cognitive distortion and the casino's intentional manipulations. If an activity is really worthwhile, clear thought should not be able to ruin the fun in it. ~FK
I know a guy that gambles a bit. He told me he was playing blackjack at the Borgata for 6 straight hours and won $500. Told me that he started with $2000 and went home with $500. He was very proud of his $500 winning and said it's a lot better than he usually does and it took a lot of skill and some luck to do as well as he did. His thought process, best as I could deduce, was that he was going to play with his $2000 and have his fun. The fun cost $2000 so that any money he took home was a winning.
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Originally posted by: snidely333
I know a guy that gambles a bit. He told me he was playing blackjack at the Borgata for 6 straight hours and won $500. Told me that he started with $2000 and went home with $500. He was very proud of his $500 winning and said it's a lot better than he usually does and it took a lot of skill and some luck to do as well as he did. His thought process, best as I could deduce, was that he was going to play with his $2000 and have his fun. The fun cost $2000 so that any money he took home was a winning.


Yes that sort of thinking is very typical, and is exactly what the psychiatric community is saying is a major risk factor for problem gambling. Had he told his story to a psychologist, he might have ended up with a referral.

This is a nonpartisan issue between pros and recreational gamblers. Why a person gambles cannot effect a physical result. It can only effect how the person records the result. Here he mentally recored a $1,500 loss as a "win", a clear sign of cognitive distortion.

Scary...but sadly, not surprising.
Frank, I think your description covers a lot more in life than you might think.

If you talk to a golfer about their latest round you will hear about the one birdie or par ... never about the triple bogeys or worse.

If you talk to someone about their vacation you hear about the highlights.

In fact, most people generally focus on the good things that happen in their life when discussing them with other people. I suspect gambling is just an extension of what I would call typical behavior.

So, I'm not so sure this is as big of a problem as you might think. The real question is what do they tell themselves in private.

Once I gather the gambling funds for a Vegas trip I've already marked them down as being "lost" or "spent". That way if I return with any money, I have "won". There are a bunch of folks that do the same thing, we all want to return saying we won something.

Like Arci stated, when I golf I'll tend to go for the highlights. Why say you had 4 triple bogies and one birdy, when you can leave out the bad stuff and end up with a good thought?
DonDiego keeps gambling records, . . . pretty close to reality too, . . . on dated file cards.
He recognizes the difference between net and gross even in gambling, . . . especially in gambling. In his own mind he never confuses the two; he does not fool himself. However, when reporting his results to others he may for strategic purposes understate his winnings or overstate his losses, . . . maybe get a free meal out of it f'rinstance, or some sympathy at least. So what people say may, in fact as in DonDiego's case, not be a cognitive disorder, . . . but instead a simple lack of character, or calculated deception, or dishonesty, or something else altogether.

n.b.DonDiego possesses many other mental disorders; he embraces them. They are not all pleasant. Nonetheless, they are who he is.

n.b.In the 6 years immediately after his retirement DonDiego netted over $60,000 or so in gambling "winnings", . . . principally blackjack activities and sports wagering in Las Vegas. As suggested above, this is an underestimate.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
DonDiego keeps gambling records, . . . pretty close to reality too, . . . on dated file cards.
He recognizes the difference between net and gross even in gambling, . . . especially in gambling. In his own mind he never confuses the two; he does not fool himself. However, when reporting his results to others he may for strategic purposes understate his winnings or overstate his losses, . . . maybe get a free meal out of it f'rinstance, or some sympathy at least. So what people say may, in fact as in DonDiego's case, not be a cognitive disorder, . . . but instead a simple lack of character, or calculated deception, or dishonesty, or something else altogether.

n.b.DonDiego possesses many other mental disorders; he embraces them. They are not all pleasant. Nonetheless, they are who he is.

n.b.In the 6 years immediately after his retirement DonDiego netted over $60,000 or so in gambling "winnings", . . . principally blackjack activities and sports wagering in Las Vegas. As suggested above, this is an underestimate.


Poor, old DonDiego. I feel so bad for you. Next time you are in the Philly area I will buy you a hotdog.
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Originally posted by: snidely333
Poor, old DonDiego. I feel so bad for you. Next time you are in the Philly area I will buy you a hotdog.
DonDiego is pleased to see his strategic thinking paying off. However, when in Philadelphia he'd prefer a cheesesteak, . . . "wit".

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Poor, old DonDiego. I feel so bad for you. Next time you are in the Philly area I will buy you a hotdog.
DonDiego is pleased to see his strategic thinking paying off. However, when in Philadelphia he'd prefer a cheesesteak, . . . "wit".


Since DD is into local favorites ... if you happen to visit Minnesota I'd be happy to buy you some lutefisk

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Originally posted by: arcimedes
Frank, I think your description covers a lot more in life than you might think.

If you talk to a golfer about their latest round you will hear about the one birdie or par ... never about the triple bogeys or worse.

If you talk to someone about their vacation you hear about the highlights.

In fact, most people generally focus on the good things that happen in their life when discussing them with other people. I suspect gambling is just an extension of what I would call typical behavior.

So, I'm not so sure this is as big of a problem as you might think. The real question is what do they tell themselves in private.


It's funny you should say that because I just asked a friend how their vacation was in the following fashion:

"So how was your vacation, just give the positive highlights?"

You said this isn't as big an issue as "I think". What I think is not relevant at all in this particular post. I was merely conveying the current psychological thinking from the most recent books I've been reading.

I'm not sure I have enough information to have an opinion myself. All the gamblers I associate with are multi-decade-veteran-pros and are ahead for their lives, and consequently have no need to spin anything internally or externally.

~FK
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