Republicans Create Economic Anarchy Again

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I see. So, its okay to enact fiscally irresponsible policy that adds to our deficit and debt so long as Boilerman gives it his personal approval.

Thank you for the honesty. Now, please spare us from any future lectures about deficits and future generations being burdened by them.


Fiscal responsibility!? Are you serious? Quit spending money we don't have, now that would be responsible.

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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I see. So, its okay to enact fiscally irresponsible policy that adds to our deficit and debt so long as Boilerman gives it his personal approval.

Thank you for the honesty. Now, please spare us from any future lectures about deficits and future generations being burdened by them.


Fiscal responsibility!? Are you serious? Quit spending money we don't have, now that would be responsible.
Sounds reasonable.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I see. So, its okay to enact fiscally irresponsible policy that adds to our deficit and debt so long as Boilerman gives it his personal approval.

Thank you for the honesty. Now, please spare us from any future lectures about deficits and future generations being burdened by them.


Fiscal responsibility!? Are you serious? Quit spending money we don't have, now that would be responsible.
Sounds reasonable.




right... and Obama's spending is?

I think that we've addressed this before. Boiler doesn't support any politician or political position that raises the debt. This appears to confuse PJ. Let me know what part of this position that confuses PJ, and I'll clarify.



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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Boiler and Hoops give you their ideas, and you tell us that we're irresponsible because others have different ideas. How odd.



I point to history and actual upcoming events. You talk about hypothetical crap that never happened. I can care less about you ideal scenario - I care about your actualy record of supporting irresponsible policy


Fact: Republicans passed budget busting tax cuts in 2000 without reconciling them with spending cuts. And you supported it.

Fact: Those same tax cuts will be on the board again before December without spending cuts to reconcile them.. And you will support that too.

Am I wrong?



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Originally posted by: pjstroh The budget busting Bush tax cuts are set to expire at the end of this year.

Can you show me the Republican plan that reconciles the Bush tax cuts with spending cuts?

The cuts expire in December.

Those same tax cuts will be on the board again before December without spending cuts to reconcile them.

Am I wrong?


Yes, you are wrong.

The Bush tax cuts were set to expire in 2010. Those same tax rates were passed by Congress (Democrats controlled both houses) and signed into law by Øbama in December of 2010. At that point, Democrats owned the tax rates and still do. You should be calling for an end to "the budget busting" Øbama Democrat tax rates.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: pjstroh The budget busting Bush tax cuts are set to expire at the end of this year.

Can you show me the Republican plan that reconciles the Bush tax cuts with spending cuts?

The cuts expire in December.

Those same tax cuts will be on the board again before December without spending cuts to reconcile them.

Am I wrong?


Yes, you are wrong.

The Bush tax cuts were set to expire in 2010. Those same tax rates were passed by Congress (Democrats controlled both houses) and signed into law by Øbama in December of 2010. At that point, Democrats owned the tax rates and still do. You should be calling for an end to "the budget busting" Øbama Democrat tax rates.


Correct I see now and were made permanent in 2012.

"..Bush tax cuts had sunset provisions that made them expire at the end of 2010, since otherwise they would fall under the Byrd Rule. Whether to renew the lowered rates, and how, became the subject of extended political debate, which was resolved during the presidency of Barack Obama by a two-year extension that was part of a larger tax and economic package, the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010. In 2012, during the fiscal cliff, the tax cuts were made permanent for single people making less than $400,000 per year and couples making less than $450,000 per year, and eliminated for everyone else, under the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012.

Before the tax cuts, the highest marginal income tax rate was 39.6 percent. After the cuts, the highest rate was 35 percent. Once the cuts were eliminated for high income levels (single people making $400,000+ per year and couples making $450,000+ per year), the top income tax rate returned to 39.6 percent.."

Regardless I still think they're a positive. Spending is what has to be reigned in. That's the huge difference between people( DUH), some always believe the soltion is to tax and tax some more. Spent too much last quarter?, raise a tax on something. Others think it's more prudent to maybe, just maybe, pull back on the budgets a bit. 19T in debt, and getting worse by the day, is completely insane.

I know, I know, bush's fault, Obama has nothing to do with the additional 10T in debt.


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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: pjstroh The budget busting Bush tax cuts are set to expire at the end of this year.

Can you show me the Republican plan that reconciles the Bush tax cuts with spending cuts?

The cuts expire in December.

Those same tax cuts will be on the board again before December without spending cuts to reconcile them.

Am I wrong?


Yes, you are wrong.

The Bush tax cuts were set to expire in 2010. Those same tax rates were passed by Congress (Democrats controlled both houses) and signed into law by Øbama in December of 2010. At that point, Democrats owned the tax rates and still do. You should be calling for an end to "the budget busting" Øbama Democrat tax rates.


And if you go back on these boards to 2010 you will find plenty of objections from me to renewing those tax cuts....and plenty of objections from our resident conservatives (I suspect you too) for the prospect of not renewing them.

So lets be honest about our own record on policy. I don't begrudge people who are for these tax cuts....I just begrudge the fact they are unable to be honest about their affect on the deficit. And thats about 99% of the Republican party.

Many of these tax cuts will be up for renewal in December....and I will object to them again....and our resident conservatives will advocate them again. And then our resident conservatives will complain about liberals and deficits.




Since pj feels all govt spending is worthwhile, does pj write a check to the govt for more than he owes?

What is wrong with an across the board 1% reduction in all federal spending?
Boilers plan would be something like this.

1. Don't raise taxes.
2. Cut spending across the board by 10% immediately.
3. Freeze spending and hold it there until we've balanced the budget and beyond.
4. Somewhere after this point we should lower taxes.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: pjstroh The budget busting Bush tax cuts are set to expire at the end of this year.

Can you show me the Republican plan that reconciles the Bush tax cuts with spending cuts?

The cuts expire in December.

Those same tax cuts will be on the board again before December without spending cuts to reconcile them.

Am I wrong?


Yes, you are wrong.

The Bush tax cuts were set to expire in 2010. Those same tax rates were passed by Congress (Democrats controlled both houses) and signed into law by Øbama in December of 2010. At that point, Democrats owned the tax rates and still do. You should be calling for an end to "the budget busting" Øbama Democrat tax rates.


And if you go back on these boards to 2010 you will find plenty of objections from me to renewing those tax cuts....and plenty of objections from our resident conservatives (I suspect you too) for the prospect of not renewing them.

So lets be honest about our own record on policy. I don't begrudge people who are for these tax cuts....I just begrudge the fact they are unable to be honest about their affect on the deficit. And thats about 99% of the Republican party.

Many of these tax cuts will be up for renewal in December....and I will object to them again....and our resident conservatives will advocate them again. And then our resident conservatives will complain about liberals and deficits.


A 10% cut would hurt the economy. If spending was to be reduced by 1% per year, combined with te natural growth in tax revenue the x & y axis' will eventually cross creating a surplus. The surplus could then be used to retire some of the current debt.

In addition, create a simplified tax code that is no more than 100 pages, with a tax form of 2 pages.
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