Vegas Free-for-All - Rick Perry indicted in Tx.

Rick Perry indicted in Tx.

pjstroh

Aug 17, 2014
5:20am

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Originally posted by: albeadle33
PJ's wealth of inexperience and misinformation strikes again.

Deflect and divert from why a drunk driving & disorderly dem. DA in charge of the ETHICS dept. is still working. Gov. Perry did the only thing he could do, and everyone knows it was the right thing. Except loons like you of course.

What misinformation did i post? Do tell. And since i didn't offer an opinion on the Rick Perry indictment I'm wondering how you presume to know how I feel... Unless you prejudged me?

Albeadle prejudging someone? I guess there's a first time for evrything

malibber2

Aug 17, 2014
7:19am

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Generally speaking you cant threaten to veto funding for an elective office unless an elected official resigns. Larry “wide stance” Craig kept working and his office was still funded after his little crack attack incident. The Governor’s Office in Florida is still funded even though the Governor invoked the 5th amendment 75 times. Senator David Vitter's office is still funded despite his invocation of the 5th amendment in case involving his relations with prostitutes. Simply put an elected official has to be removed by the voters or the special process that is spelled out in this case by the State Constitution, They simply can't be froze out of their office by defunding it. It would be like Obama saying fuck you
Boehner unless you resign I am going to veto all house funding you guys wont have any staff, security or even electricity in the building if you don't resign.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme

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Originally posted by: malibber2
I think where it gets sticky for him is the office he cut funding to is an office that was responsible for investigating misdeeds committed by his administration and other state officials. Also the lady in question he wanted to fire was an elected official and not an employee of the State of Texas. A Governor should never be able to fire an elected official that is up to the voters.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
Perry may be guilty, but in my opinion it's a bullshit law. Basically, he threatened to veto a funding bill unless an agency fired someone. Then he followed through on the veto.

Sounds like something a governor should be able to do.

A governor has the authority to veto any bill sent to his desk to sign. So does the President. How many times has ObeyMe said he'd veto any bill that did or did not contain some provision that he wanted for any reason?

The Texas Public Integrity Unit is headed by Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg. She was arrested for, and pleaded guilty to, drunk driving in 2013. While in office. A Drunk Driving conviction.

Governor Perry was exercising his legal authority. She should have resigned, and done so while apologizing for making a mockery of her position. That would have close to public integrity. That she didn't resign is a full on example of NO integrity.

Don

Aug 17, 2014
9:04am

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Generally speaking you cant threaten to veto funding for an elective office unless an elected official resigns.

Is there a legal citation to support malibber's assertion that the Governor of Texas cannot threaten to veto or, in fact, veto funding for a District Attorney's Office within the State? Umm, . . . preferably a State of Texas citation.

malibber2

Aug 17, 2014
9:10am

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I am too lazy to look it up, but I would suggest Don Diego Google the actual indictment as it should cite the relevant law or laws in question.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Generally speaking you cant threaten to veto funding for an elective office unless an elected official resigns.

Boilerman

Aug 17, 2014
9:42am

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Sometimes the most egregious things a politician or political body can do are 100% legal.

After a Fertilizer plant explosion in West, TX destroyed a town in 2013 there has been no legislative response to improve storage conditions, change zoning laws, or implement any new safety protocols of any kind when it comes to such plants in Texas.

In fact, the only response has come from Rick Perry's Attorney General who in the wake of a large political donation from the Koch Brothers has passed a new edict to keep the locations and contents of all Texas's fertilizer plants hidden from the general public.
Don't ask Rick Perry to disclose locations and contents of dangerous fertilizer plants like the one in West, Texas. The public's safety comes in a distant second to his successor's campaign funding

Boilerman

Aug 17, 2014
9:50am

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I certainly agree with PJ that after an explosion in Texas that we should consider ways to make things more safe. However, we should first consider laws currently on the books and learn if they have been followed. Liberals tend to desire for more laws once anything bad has happened.

Also, we need to understand that jobs are important. Each time that we add more restrictions on industry, we end up with fewer jobs. Liberals believe that legislation on business is 100% great, yet this legislation costs jobs. I like having a job.

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forkushV

Aug 17, 2014
10:19am

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If Perry had simply vetoed the funding, their would have been no "crime." It was his additional THREAT to defund that made it a violation of the statute.

So the statute apparently criminalizes some political speech. I'm not to crazy about that.

jatki

Aug 17, 2014
11:49am

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Originally posted by: malibber2
I am too lazy to look it up, but I would suggest Don Diego Google the actual indictment as it should cite the relevant law or laws in question.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Generally speaking you cant threaten to veto funding for an elective office unless an elected official resigns.

Is there a legal citation to support malibber's assertion that the Governor of Texas cannot threaten to veto or, in fact, veto funding for a District Attorney's Office within the State? Umm, . . . preferably a State of Texas citation.

Saw this on yahoo, can't attest to its validity.

§ 36.03. COERCION OF PUBLIC SERVANT OR VOTER. (a) A person commits an offense if by means of coercion he:
(1) influences or attempts to influence a public servant in a specific exercise of his official power or a specific performance of his official duty or influences or attempts to influence a public servant to violate the public servant’s known legal duty

"(c) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(1) of this section that the person who influences or attempts to influence the public servant is a member of the governing body of a governmental entity, and that the action that influences or attempts to influence the public servant is an official action taken by the member of the governing body. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “official action” includes deliberations by the governing body of a governmental entity."

jatki

Aug 17, 2014
11:58am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I certainly agree with PJ that after an explosion in Texas that we should consider ways to make things more safe. However, we should first consider laws currently on the books and learn if they have been followed. Liberals tend to desire for more laws once anything bad has happened.

Also, we need to understand that jobs are important. Each time that we add more restrictions on industry, we end up with fewer jobs. Liberals believe that legislation on business is 100% great, yet this legislation costs jobs. I like having a job.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Sometimes the most egregious things a politician or political body can do are 100% legal.

After a Fertilizer plant explosion in West, TX destroyed a town in 2013 there has been no legislative response to improve storage conditions, change zoning laws, or implement any new safety protocols of any kind when it comes to such plants in Texas.

In fact, the only response has come from Rick Perry's Attorney General who in the wake of a large political donation from the Koch Brothers has passed a new edict to keep the locations and contents of all Texas's fertilizer plants hidden from the general public.
Don't ask Rick Perry to disclose locations and contents of dangerous fertilizer plants like the one in West, Texas. The public's safety comes in a distant second to his successor's campaign funding

I tend to agree here. Having a knee jerk reaction and throwing more Fed. regulations into the mix of what's already existing can often result in a clusterF of a bunch of rules that can bog down day to day business. If it turns out that there's a glaring need for something to be done to ensure the safety of everybody connected to the plant, by all means enact it. If it turned out to be a fluke accident nothing needs to be done.

dfwgambler

Aug 17, 2014
1:19pm

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Just Texas Politics as usual.

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