Rob Singer accepts the challenge.

Arc, here's an easy point of yours to discuss:

You wrote: "Show me mathematically how they improve his chances of a "big win"."

Let's take this example of one of his special plays. When he is stuck playing 7/5 Bonus (I say "stuck" because ideally he wants to play 8/5) and he is dealt AAAKK he will hold only the 3 aces and goes for the quad aces and 2000 coins. If he held the full house, as you would because you are an APer, the chance of hitting quad aces is zero. But by breaking up the full house he has two chances to hit that one card.

Here is another example where his strategy improves his chances of a big win: Dealt AAA4K in triple double bonus. Your correct, AP strategy, is to hold AAA4 and draw the single card hoping the 1/47 shot for the ace and 4000 coins. His play is to hold AAA to give himself two chances to get the ace and 800 coins. His reasoning is that 800 coins is a big enough win for him. Or as I like to put it, 800 coins in the hand is worth 4000 coins in the bush.

(By the way at Caesars the other night I was dealt quad aces on a TDB $5 machine and the hand did not improve. But shortly after that I was dealt 33344 and I broke up the full house to hold 3334 hoping for the case 3 and the 2000 coin win. Yes, I played correct strategy. My hand did not improve.)
I was under the impression that Singer's special plays have to do with whether the machine is running hot or cold. Is that a wrong impression?
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Originally posted by: snidely333
I was under the impression that Singer's special plays have to do with whether the machine is running hot or cold. Is that a wrong impression?

Wrong. He selects the machine based upon its hot or cold cycle. The special plays are irrespective of the cycle. The real question is what criteria he uses to evalute the machine cycle. I think it's transmitted to him through some special device he had implanted in his rectum....That's only speculation though.
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: snidely333
I was under the impression that Singer's special plays have to do with whether the machine is running hot or cold. Is that a wrong impression?

Wrong. He selects the machine based upon its hot or cold cycle. The special plays are irrespective of the cycle. The real question is what criteria he uses to evalute the machine cycle. I think it's transmitted to him through some special device he had implanted in his rectum....That's only speculation though.


His head is a special device?


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Originally posted by: tomdoug
Yeah, we know already, you never lose, you are killing them.


Nope, don't know who "we" is but obviously YOU don't know squat. I'm below expectation this year. But, I'm still ahead even though I've only won 10 sessions in 27 tries. That's what can happen when you play with an advantage. You should try it sometime.

Once again tom (or is it doug) scores a big fat FAIL.
It is this type of BS and misunderstanding that adds to the falsehoods and hysteria. If any of ever knew the truth about Singer's "system" you would realize much of it makes sense. Hot and cold machines has nothing to do with it. Neither do his theories about machines not being random. These are "side issues.". Frankly a lot of people play like Singer and don't even realize it. LOL.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, here's an easy point of yours to discuss:

You wrote: "Show me mathematically how they improve his chances of a "big win"."

Let's take this example of one of his special plays. When he is stuck playing 7/5 Bonus (I say "stuck" because ideally he wants to play 8/5) and he is dealt AAAKK he will hold only the 3 aces and goes for the quad aces and 2000 coins. If he held the full house, as you would because you are an APer, the chance of hitting quad aces is zero. But by breaking up the full house he has two chances to hit that one card.

Since when does Bonus Poker pay 2000 coins for quad aces? It's only 400 coins. However, when playing 7/5 it's not a big difference in average return (2.4 coins). A much worse play in 8/5. The problem you are ignoring is he will get to play more hands when he holds the FH. This gives him more chances for hitting other winners including any quad. The bottom line is you can't determine which play improves his chances of a "big win".

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Here is another example where his strategy improves his chances of a big win: Dealt AAA4K in triple double bonus. Your correct, AP strategy, is to hold AAA4 and draw the single card hoping the 1/47 shot for the ace and 4000 coins. His play is to hold AAA to give himself two chances to get the ace and 800 coins. His reasoning is that 800 coins is a big enough win for him. Or as I like to put it, 800 coins in the hand is worth 4000 coins in the bush.

(By the way at Caesars the other night I was dealt quad aces on a TDB $5 machine and the hand did not improve. But shortly after that I was dealt 33344 and I broke up the full house to hold 3334 hoping for the case 3 and the 2000 coin win. Yes, I played correct strategy. My hand did not improve.)

Let's see, in the first case going for the bigger winner gives you a better chance of the "big win", but now in this case going for a "smaller win" gives you a better chance. Amazing logic.

BTW, are you ever going to realize that mentioning a single hand is about as useful as penny for playing one of your $5 machines.

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Originally posted by: arcimedes
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Originally posted by: tomdoug
Yeah, we know already, you never lose, you are killing them.


I'm below expectation this year. But, I'm still ahead even though I've only won 10 sessions in 27 tries. That's what can happen when you play with an advantage.


Of course.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
It is this type of BS and misunderstanding that adds to the falsehoods and hysteria. If any of ever knew the truth about Singer's "system" you would realize much of it makes sense. Hot and cold machines has nothing to do with it. Neither do his theories about machines not being random. These are "side issues.".

Hot and Cold machines that he claims HE CAN IDENTIFY and subroutines in the machines that make them not random are statements that Singer claims are facts about VP. How is this 'BS and misunderstanding'? You're the one distorting the full truth about Singer's system by your accepting just the least crazy (in your eyes) parts of his 'system' and claiming the rest is a 'side issue'. That's the real BS.
alanleroy, I will leave it to Singer to respond to your post. I stated what I know about Singer's system. You say you know otherwise. We'll let Singer post his response. Too bad he can't post it here.
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