Rob Singer accepts the challenge.

Arci, I had a loose idea of his "system" which is why I wasn't interested in doing this on a simulator. If he doesn't win early, he needs to test his "psychological bankroll" to see if he can stomach playing $500/push to dig out of hole. If you're not playing with real money, it's easy to keep pushing up the denom until you hit on a winner. With real money it's a double whammy...you lose to both me and the casino.

I haven't vascilated on my offer and simply outlined the terms. It's in his court to decide if he wants to do this or not and if he does pass, people can draw their own conclusions as to why.

Dan

Dan, he won't do it. That is the reason he came up with the ridiculous $300K escrow and $5K "tip". Both are complete nonsense, but he will back away and then claim it was you who chickened out.

He's done this before so this is all old news for me.

The truth is no ones knows if any of his claims have the least bit of truth in them. When you see this kind of behavior it points to someone who lies for a living.

"...$300,000 in an escrow account..."

Hell, why not $3,000,000 or maybe even $300,000,000? Absurd. This wager will never happen.

I dont understand the need to put any money in escrow.

A bet has been made. I would think that everyone would honor their bet without the need to put money in escrow.

I also dont think anyone needs to be tipped or paid a fee. But the winner should certainly pick up dinner.

I don't have a problem putting $30K cash up front. In fairness to him, I want to read what he posted on the other site and respond thoughtfully but I'm off to a dentist appointment, lunch with my son and then on a flight out to Vegas.

He may claim and in fact achieve payouts on higher denom machines but the presumption is that for him to justify playing those machines, he was already down on the lower denom machines. Hitting a $40K RF on a $10 machine isn't a $40K win if you're already stuck $20K, right?

In my mind, I'm giving him the ability to win what amounts to be $1K/hr. from me plus whatever he thinks he's going to win from the casino. All this for 30 hours worth of work. If you had such conviction in your "system", wouldn't you do it? This is from someone who claims to win 80-85% of the time.

I think we have an "apples vs. oranges" conversation taking place. Repeating my "challenge" to him and his two cronies, it was "Come to Vegas, find a vp game that you like to play (remember, the crappier the pay schedule, the easier it is to win, right?), play 30 hours at a minumum of 500 hands per hour and we'll match your results with real money. If you're a winner after that time, I'll double your winning. However, if you lose, you now owe me an equal amount of your loss. Pick any game/denomination/location you'd like." I haven't waivered from this.

From this it's twisted into $300K escrow funds, a proposed escrow agent that we'll pay $5K to and potentially bouncing from Laughlin to Vegas and back again. There is no justification for a crazy amount of escrow funds nor as you say, to pay for someone to hold these. Also, when has Rob ever had an instance that he was stuck to the point that he had to find $100 machines, loaded up in the car, drove to Bellagio or equal to play, hit something that got him back to even or slightly plus and then said, "hey, you know what? I need to drive back down to Laughlin and play my favorite BP or SDBP machines at Aquarius to read my win goal". Let's be serious.....if a vp game that you like doesn't exist in Vegas, it's almost doubtful it exists anywhere. I personally believe and a few people on this thread seem to agree without prompting from me that this is all a smokescreen. You can draw your own conclusion.

If this doesn't happen, it won't be because of me backing out. My offer is the same today as when I made it last Thursday. After sparring via posts about minute details, I finally took the position of simply laying out my offer in bullet point form. He can take it or leave it.

Gotta go for now but I will respond on the other board. It's doubtful that my response will vary considerably from what I generally outlined here.

Dan

Yes, this is exactly what you'd expect. Of course, you're assuming Singer really wanted to do this. He doesn't ... it's all a big bluff. I doubt very much Singer could even come up with the money.

Years ago I caught Singer lying about his own results. It made it pretty obvious he was making them up as he went along. For example, he stated his record was 22-8 at the $25 level. That's right, he claimed he won at a single level 70% of the time. That's like winning at single play 70% of the time. And, what makes it real humorous was he claimed only 22 losses at the the $10 level and below while playing at the next level only 3 times. So, that means the maximum times he could have played the $25 level was 25 and he stated he had played 30 times.

He also claimed to have lost using his strategy 31 times in about 250 sessions. Now, how can you only lose 8 times at the $25 level (where he normally stops) and have a total of 31 losses. Can't happen. Another example of why Singer can not be believed. He's a pathological liar.

Arci is exactly right, I can't believe I said that. Singer has done this numerous times in the past. What he really likes is to see how much attention he can get on the various message boards. Kinda like seeing his name in lights. Then he comes back and brags about how the threads concerning him were the largest on the board. He's quite sick.

FYI O malley, I do believe they have BP and SDBP in the denominations Rob wants at Casino Royal.

Singer is so predictable. Anyone that knows his pathetic past could guess he would set up some absurd condition and then claim the other party backed out. He has done this before and will do it again.

It is too funny that he will not accept your challenge and now he is leaving for a trip to Hawaii with his family. That reminds me of the post he sent from an alleged Hawaii vacation a few years ago. LVA Sports thread Read down to the fifth post from LVHCM1 who was one of the moderators of the LVA Sports forum. Singers drunken rant was a classic.

Dan wrote: "Hitting a $40K RF on a $10 machine isn't a $40K win if you're already stuck $20K, right?" this is also my understanding of his system.