Rob Singer accepts the challenge.

Edit: Nevermind.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA Hell, Ive played over 81,000 hands of VP just this year without a royal. The "math" says I should have had at least one.


The math doesn't say that. But I gave up on trying to explain basic statistics to you many moons ago.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Arc, we can go around and around on this forever. My feeling is that there is no guarantee youre going to win if you play by the correct strategy. You SHOULD play the correct strategy, but it doesnt guarantee you will win. And I know you agree with that.

I dont know all about Singer. The way I understand Singer is that he also follows the math, but he is willing to take a chance to score a big enough win that he meets his win goal and stops playing. He doesnt do it ALL the time. He makes his "special plays" sometimes.

I think there is no way to predict video poker over the long term. you seem to rely on the "math" which says over xxxx number of hands, this should happen.

I dont see that. Hell, Ive played over 81,000 hands of VP just this year without a royal. The "math" says I should have had at least one.

You said youve been dealt 4 to the royal more than 200 times without getting the royal card on the draw. the "math" says you should draw the royal card one out of 47 times.

the "variance" of the math means you could get lucky and hit back to back royals, or draw the royal card 47/47 times.

but thats the gamble. and that's why I can't bank on the math coming through for me in the long term or the short term. And so I play VP hoping for the best and accepting that it is a gamble.

And with that said, let me add -- AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT -- we should follow the best plays which are based on the math, but following the math does not guarantee a win.

Singer isnt selling a con. He's accepting that video poker is a gamble and he is taking a chance within that gamble. what is a "con" is trying to tell someone that they can beat the casino.

Singer doesnt try to beat the casino. He sets a win goal and leaves.


Sorry Money, you once again are completely confused. You use the word guarantee like it's important and I've explained the math to you many times. Just because you choose to ignore it does not change the facts.

Of course nothing is "guaranteed" ... so what? It's not "guaranteed" you will wake up tomorrow. Does that mean you should do go out and drive 200 mph down the freeway today? That is basically what you are saying. Since nothing is absolutely guaranteed then why not do something crazy?

BTW, I did hit on back-back 4RF after my 208 straight misses. They were about 2 hours apart. And, the math DOES NOT say you should hit once in every 47 tries like clockwork. That is pure nonsense. In fact, if one did that the machines would not be random. Your use of illogical examples only demonstrates you still can't accept the reality of randomness. Good luck with that.

Finally, your description of Singer is amazingly naive. You clearly know nothing of his continual lies. He must sit back and laugh at how gullible you are.

Every book I've read says a royal occurs on average about once in forty thousand hands. Is that based on math or something else?
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Every book I've read says a royal occurs on average about once in forty thousand hands. Is that based on math or something else?


That's different than saying you SHOULD have had a RF in 81K hands. If you don't understand the difference, you don't understand randomness.

I am misunderstood by many.
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Originally posted by: FrankieRizzo
I am one of the believers that figures this little wager is NEVER going to happen.

This is just how RS works...he was trying to get Fed to clam up, by taking him up, on his offer, and when Fed didn't back down...he now has to either...

1- Clam up and crawl back under his rock

2- Go ahead and do the bet, risking everyone here being witness to his miserable system failing, and putting lots of money into Fed's pockets in the process.

3- Come up with shady, ridiculous ideas instead, to supposedly cover himeslf, which he knows nobody in their right mind would agree to, because they don't make sense, and then turn it back on Fed, to make it look like he is the one who backed out of this.


Gee I wonder which one he decided to go with.

This bet will never happen.

Good luck though, in keeping this argument going for the next 5-6 months.

Everyone pretty much knows what kind of person we're dealing with here.

--Rizzo



Looks like he trying to do both numbers one and three. First he tried to do the ridiculous 300,000 dollar escrow and when Dan stuck his guns he decided to go to option number one as now according to his spokesperson Bags and Alan Mendelson that he is now a family trip to Hawaii.


Yeah right and the Pope is Jewish whatever.

The funniest thing to me is he wants Anthony to hold the money. Shit that is like Osama Bin Laden having drinks with George Bush. Its not going to happen!

I agree with you Frankie as well as Arcimedes. This is never going to happen and he is going to do everything he can to make Dan look bad and say he is the one who backed down but we all know the truth.

Singer is a fraud and a liar.

I just spoke to Rob, and he's in Hawaii. He said he posted something at Alan Mendelsons site which has a link here somewhere. Like I previously stated, all they have to do is have a "cap" on how much a person could lose and we have a contest. Surely if RS hit a Royal at a high limit, he should be happy that he won that much, and will be collecting whatever the "cap" would be. I don't think anyone should have a problem with that.

That way no one would have to put up so much money. That's the way I see things.
I just don't see what this "contest" will prove one way or the other. If Rob uses his "regular" system, he will progress upwards until his 30 hours run out. He will hope to hit 4 Aces w/kicker or a royal somewhere along the line. If it comes early, he will hope to hang on until 30 hours is completed. If he hits them late, then he will get a boxcar payout, and depending how much he's stuck, will either makes him a winner or not. But I don't see what it will prove one way or the other. Anyone with a sizeable bankroll could attempt the same thing with varied results.
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