Vegas Free-for-All - ?s about continuous shuffle on Black Jack tables

KarenTN

Jul 29, 2010
2:08am

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Originally posted by: bilbo b

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Thanks, Karen.

Is that why I sometimes see them dealing from a shoe when it looks like only two decks in play? That always looks funny to me.

BTW, I don’t count cards, so it doesn’t matter to me. I just thought they may have nicer double down, split and double after split rules on continuous shuffle games. Anybody know if that’s true?

If you're talking about the plastic dealing shoe, it may be a two deck game, in which case they will have two decks in that shoe (although the cut card will not allow the decks to be fully exhausted before they take the rest of the cards and place them with the cards from the discard rack and put them into the automatic shuffler where two more decks, generally of a different color, are already shuffled, and swap them out.) The same system works with two sets of six decks in a six deck game.

No, you are talking about the automatic shuffler. She was asking about continuous shufflers. The difference is that with the automatic shuffler, they don't put the cards in until the shoe (2 decks or 6 decks or whatever) have been played. You still get a fresh shoe.

With the continuous shuffler, the dealer may deal 5 hands or so, then put the discards into the shuffler. You never ever start with a full shoe with this one. makes it impossible to count, if you are a counter

Perhaps I misunderstood her . . . she mentioned a shoe that looked like it had two decks. Do they actually use a shoe with the machines you're referring to or do they deal directly out of the shuffler? Thank you for the info.

it's been a while, but what I think they do, is they pull out a deck or so out of the shuffler and put it in the shoe and deal from the shoe. not 100%. not sure when the next time I will be in a casino to get 100% sure is

cyndeeta

Jul 29, 2010
5:05am

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Originally posted by: bilbo b

Perhaps I misunderstood her . . . she mentioned a shoe that looked like it had two decks. Do they actually use a shoe with the machines you're referring to or do they deal directly out of the shuffler? Thank you for the info.

I see how I might have confused you. I didn’t mean to be vague. It’s just that I play as much in Reno as Vegas.
On my most recent trip to Reno, I noticed how often the dealers had to stop and shuffle a two-deck game by hand. The shoe was not used as they held the remaining cards in their hand as they dealt.
I may have been thinking of another game where two decks were dealt from a shoe, or perhaps it was in Vegas that I saw this. Maybe my comment about the two deck shoe was not well thought out. Or maybe I’m confusing all the different ways the cards are handled. Sorry about that.

Anyway, this has turned out to be an informative thread for me. I appreciate the efforts to answer my questions. Most of what has been posted is very helpful. Thank you for the input.

From what I gather, the auto-shuffle is used in a lot of multi-deck games, but does not shuffle the deck continuously. The dealer just does not need to shuffle between decks, but gets a newly shuffled deck without a long pause between hands. This I am familiar with.

The continuous shuffle machine appears to be dealt from directly without a separate shoe. That is if I got the right idea from the article to which knagl’s link opened. BTW, thank you for that link, knagl.

Cyndee

yoniboy

Sep 2, 2011
1:07pm

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Ok I m a new menber of LVA and I like to play BJ and heard the continuos shuffle is good and others said the the is BAT so whats is your bets aviced 4 e new player in las VEGAS thank you. special 4 a $10 -$50 dollar player in VEGAS

chipchik

Sep 2, 2011
11:48pm

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One of my local casinos has 1 table with it. It is also has the "in between bet". If you get on a good run you can win big. But get out soon after.

One thing I dont like is there is no break like when you shuffle. That is when I calculate how I am doing.
One thIng I do like is it doesn't matter if ppl jump in and out.

orchid

Sep 3, 2011
3:42am

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I avoid the continuous shuffle because the cards don't seem to get shuffled very well. I do like the auto shuffler because it starts over with a freshly shuffled 6 deck shoe. For those who are still confused, the continuous shuffle has one 6 deck shoe and the auto shuffler has 2 6 deck shoes that are alternated. I also like the break between shoes, gives you time for a restroom break, order another drink or count your chips.

garrtel

Sep 3, 2011
2:22pm

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Most of the continuous shuffle machines or either 4 decks or 5 decks.
I was once told that about 2 decks of the cards sit at the bottom of the machine and never get dealt.
unlike an automatic shuffle machine, as a card in dealt out, it is out for the entire shoe, the continuous machine could spit out the same card next, or next hand or whatever. You can't tell. That's makes this thing unpredictable.
I have a few friends that have been dealers for years that have said that you can still win at these machines but it seems like the table will never be good for a long time as they can be with an automatic machine. As they say, it can get good, but it won't stay good for a long time......
Just food for thought....good luck.........

teechur

Sep 3, 2011
2:33pm

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I'm not a "card counter" either, HOWEVER, I do keep track/count the Aces that have shown up. That is why I don't like the continuous shuffle tables.

I have a terrible memory when it comes to number things, however I do like knowing that there are "lots of Aces left" or, conversely, "all the Aces are used up" so I have a little idea of how likely I am to receive a Blackjack (or the dealer to have a blackjack).

jphelan

Sep 4, 2011
2:28am

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I agree with Teechur - most BlackJack players HATE continuous shufflers. There is no flow to the game and it pretty much turns table BlackJack into a video poker game --- with a higher house edge.

snidely333

Sep 4, 2011
7:07am

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People hate "random". Love to see a pattern and flow.

melbedewy

Sep 4, 2011
8:38am

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Originally posted by: jphelan
I agree with Teechur - most BlackJack players HATE continuous shufflers. There is no flow to the game and it pretty much turns table BlackJack into a video poker game --- with a higher house edge.

Higher house edge?
Hmmm.. you must not play at Caesars...

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