Sanctuary cities??

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its pretty easy to explain. Our country benefits massively (economically) from having 15 million people work ugly jobs for cheap pay...

Perhaps if there weren't an extra 15 million people here illegally competing for ugly jobs for cheap pay, those ugly jobs would pay a lot more.....A living wage for ugly jobs vacated by illegal workers might even encourage many of 92 Million Americans who have left the workforce to return.

And as wages went up, more automation would take place...giving a boost to our fledgling robotics industry. And think what it would do for domestic lawnmower sales as Americans once again begin mowing their own lawns. It could be a real boon for America.


There's no need to speculate. In very recent hisotry, both Alabama and Arizone implemented your plan and proceeded to lose billions of dollars while farmers lost crops. Isn't it great to have real life examples?

https://business.time.com/2012/06/14/the-fiscal-fallout-of-state-immigration-laws/

Alabama has since been (quietly) revoking their immigration laws.

PJ supports big agribusiness in their ongoing efforts to exploit cheap illegal labor for the good of the country. I can't stop laughing.

Since "sanctuary cities" are OK by the Feds and in these cities they can choose to ignore certain Federal laws, can we setup a "Sanctuary City" where Gay Marriage licenses are not issued?
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Originally posted by: alanleroy

PJ supports big agribusiness in their ongoing efforts to exploit cheap illegal labor for the good of the country. I can't stop laughing.


No, I simply pointed to the real life examples of what happened when states implemented your thesis. It failed miserably...and those states saw massive billion dollar holes open in their economies. And in both states US Citizens did not fill the labor gap left by exiled immigrants.

Unlike you, I am not speculating or offering an opinion. I'm pointing to historical facts. If you wish to laugh in the face of historical facts in favor of your baseless speculation then be my guest.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
There are ways you can make the immigrant population safer to both themselves and natives.

Just how would pjstroh have made 45-year-old Mexican-national Francisco Sanchez, with a record of 7 felonies in and 5 deportations from the United States, "safer" to 32-year-old Kathryn Steinle?


Maybe by having a record of his existence in the country...and a work permit...or lack thereof which would make him exiled. And certainly by having an immigrant community that is willing to call the cops on one of its scummier members whereas today they are frightened to interact with the police out of fear of being deported. Just two of many ways. No policy can erradicate all crime.

I'll let Jeb Bush explain it to you more thouroghly in the upcoming debate.
Umm, . . . is that response serious.

Mr. Sanchez was known to be in the Country; he was known to have committed 5 felonies; he had been deported 5 times. He was captured yet again.

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But the efforts of federal immigration officials to detain Francisco Sanchez for a sixth time failed when they turned him over to San Francisco officials, who released him in mid-April.
Sheriff's officials let Sanchez go after drug charges against him were dismissed. San Francisco, a 'sanctuary city,' refuses to enforce federal immigration holds.
In this case, officials with Federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement asked to be notified if Sanchez was released so they could take him back into custody, but the city did not do so.
Ten weeks later, Kathryn Steinle was dead on Pier 14 and Sanchez, 45, a habitual felon, had been arrested for the shooting.
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Ref: San Jose Mercury News

DonDiego requests that pjstroh contact Liz Sullivan and Jim Steinle, the parents of Kathryn Steinle, at their home in Pleasanton, California, and explain how pjstroh's scheme could've made Mr. Sanchez "safer" to Ms. Steinle. She died in her father's arms asking him to help her. He could not.

DonDiego counsels pjstroh to include the facts that Mr. Sanchez has crossed the US/Mexico border at least 6 times and Mr. Sanchez was released by the City of San Francisco because the City intentionally and explicitly refuses to cooperate with immigration authorities.

DonDiego suggests an essentially open border combined with "Sanctuary Cities" which do not honor Immigration and Customs Enforcement requests pretty much ensure such events in the future.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy

PJ supports big agribusiness in their ongoing efforts to exploit cheap illegal labor for the good of the country. I can't stop laughing.


No, I simply pointed to the real life examples of what happened when states implemented your thesis. It failed miserably...and those states saw massive billion dollar holes open in their economies. And in both states US Citizens did not fill the labor gap left by exiled immigrants.

Unlike you, I am not speculating or offering an opinion. I'm pointing to historical facts. If you wish to laugh in the face of historical facts in favor of your baseless speculation then be my guest.

Doesn't a 'historical fact' actually have to have....you know...really happened? Did you even read your own article? Please show us where some 'massive billion dollar holes' actually formed in the State of Arizona or Alabama as you claim. PJ can't do that. Because IT NEVER REALLY HAPPENED.

Instead the article mentions losses for Arizona due to boycotts of tourism...but that's hardly a 'massive billion dollar hole' due to losing illegal workers. It's more like attempted punishment from the PC Cabal. The article does cite studies and estimates of what might happen or what could happen. AND PJ CLAIMS THAT AS HISTORICAL FACT. Perhaps in the future when you claim something is Historical Fact it would be best to actually stick to real history...and not made up forecasts or projections or hypothetical studies. That way it doesn't look like you are really 'speculating or offering an opinion'. I still can't stop laughing.



I love this game...ALanLeroy denies facts even when put in front of his face. Those facts did not happen....even if numerous sources say so

Illegal Immigrant Crackdown in Alabama Leads to Severe Agricultural Labor Shortage

Forbes: Alabama Tomato crop rotting due to mass exodus of immigrants


NBC


Washington Post

PJ CLAIMS "MASSIVE BILLION DOLLAR HOLES" (Plural). as Historical Fact. Do ANY of those articles support his claim of multiple billion dollar losses? No. He made that up.

Unskilled farm labor is quickly becoming a thing of the past. I see it being replaced by automation every day around these parts. Although many agribusinesses would rather employ cheap illegal labor because that's what they've been doing for years, don't be fooled into believing that cheap immigrant labor is the only solution to farm worker shortages.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/robots-step-into-new-planting-harvesting-roles-1429781404
"Its pretty easy to explain. Our country benefits massively (economically) from having 15 million people work ugly jobs for cheap pay which they in turn spend in the economy....while getting no safety net entitlements."

Gee. Isn't that the same arguement used to support slavery?
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Originally posted by: chafraho
"Its pretty easy to explain. Our country benefits massively (economically) from having 15 million people work ugly jobs for cheap pay which they in turn spend in the economy....while getting no safety net entitlements."

Gee. Isn't that the same arguement used to support slavery?
No. Not the same "arguement."

Probably because slaves didn't have "jobs," they didn't receive "pay," and so they didn't have pay to "spend."

Seems you don't know what a slave is.

Well, excuse me, maestro. Pardon my typo and ignorance. I have been taken to school.
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