Sanctuary cities??

You have apposing view, and for that reason you will soon be called a racist by some.


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Originally posted by: chafraho
And they did do the dirty jobs that nobody else wanted to do under the circumstances. And they did contribute to the then-existing economy. I'm not supporting slavery in any sense. Just pointing out the absurdity of the "arguement". Get rid of a flag, but justify "sanctuary cities" with an economic rationalization. Seems like we've been around this block before, but it didn't make any difference to some.


Jatki, you're addressing the concept of supply and demand, and most Liberals believe it's rubbish.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its pretty easy to explain. Our country benefits massively (economically) from having 15 million people work ugly jobs for cheap pay which they in turn spend in the economy....while getting no safety net entitlements. Cities understand removing these 15 million people from our population would send their collective municipalities into a recession almost overnight.

Thats why despite alot of tough talk for decades there has been no action to mass exodus these people...and in the unthinkable event that someone like Ted Cruz would become president we still would not remove these people. Because no economic advisor worth his weight in pesos would conclude removing 15 million consumers from the economy would reult in anything but an instant recession.

There are ways you can make the immigrant population safer to both themselves and natives. Many of them are in the Senate Bill...and republicnas largely agree with them. Its just difficult for them to admit it to the tea party crowd


Well if you remove all those working for crap jobs those jobs would still have to be filled and the most likely way for that to happen is that those crap jobs would have to offer a higher wage, correct?, and if that happened those workers would be pumping more money into the local economy, correct? Oh wait a minute, then that would mean all those evil businesses and corporations might make a little less money then, that would be shameful.
Aren't you in the camp of raising the min. wage PJ?, oh yea, those on the left would rather it be govt. mandated. Getting rid of all the illegals working for crap pay would then let wages raise (or fall,doubtful) all on their own. Wouldn't everyone here like to see the citizens of this country really getting back to work and earning a decsnt living? I certainly would.
As far as all those illegals pumping so much money into the local economy you do know that a majority of them send whatever extra they have back home don't you. If all those jibs were filled at a higher wage AND they were all by citizens who lived there, the money would remain in the local economy. "Over night recession" PFFT... I'd venture to bet that w/in a year whatever local econmy would be much better off and the avg. hourly wage would go up. I would also venture to bet that it would help some those in the really high unemployed demographic(young black men comes to mind,isn't that rate like 35+%?).

I'd rather see a market driven rising min wage and more of this countrys citizens ,specially those just mentioned, working and making a decent wage than a country full of protected illegals.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: chafraho
"Its pretty easy to explain. Our country benefits massively (economically) from having 15 million people work ugly jobs for cheap pay which they in turn spend in the economy....while getting no safety net entitlements."

Gee. Isn't that the same arguement used to support slavery?
Nope. But it's the reason this guy said this:




Forkie keeps citing Reagans proposed policy but he acts like this is the same circumstancxes as we have today. There were very few illegals then than there are now, about 3 mil in '80, vs. how many now, 30 mil or so? Anyway, doesn't matter one iota what Reagan said back then, I'm concerned with now and how our govt. is dealing with it, which in my opinion is absolutely shitty, and it's getting worse.

Reagans policy don't mean SH!T, I care about Obama's (and other govt entity's) policy.

If there are jobs in the US that we can't fill, we could issue work visas to people that want to do it. If you cannot prove legal residency either as a citizen or visa you cannot receive any benefits.

This would mean that people on a work visa would have to either return home when the visa expires or get it extended. Those sneaking over the border aren't coming here just to work, but they want to live here. If they want live here they would then have to go thru the legal process to do that

There will be no jobs that go unfilled if we kick out all those here illegally. Wages will settle at a point that all the crops are picked. This would take time and there would be some pain, but no issues in the long run.
How come obama who sticks his nose into all sorts of incidents has not made a speech or held a news conference on this issue? Why didn't he send any representatives to the funeral? Why isn't the DOJ doing an investigation of the sherriff's dept.?
Could the San Francisco situation be the Liberal version of the "War on Women"?

A young woman is gunned down and dies in the arms of her father due, in large part, to the liberal policies in this sanctuary city and the incompetence of the city Sheriff who has been convicted of domestic abuse charges:

Sheriff Domestic Abuse Conviction

Take a look at these bruises!



The people of San Francisco should be so proud!
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Originally posted by: hoops2
How come obama who sticks his nose into all sorts of incidents has not made a speech or held a news conference on this issue? Why didn't he send any representatives to the funeral? Why isn't the DOJ doing an investigation of the sherriff's dept.?

If president Obama attended the funerals of all the people murdered by illegals his administration has captured and freed in the US, that would have taken over 100 days.



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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: hoops2
How come obama who sticks his nose into all sorts of incidents has not made a speech or held a news conference on this issue? Why didn't he send any representatives to the funeral? Why isn't the DOJ doing an investigation of the sherriff's dept.?

If president Obama attended the funerals of all the people murdered by illegals his administration has captured and freed in the US, that would have taken over 100 days.


Of course he couldn't but this particular case has drawn national attention and media coverage. It would be no different than a few of the others he has attended.
From The Economist, two days ago:

"Crime has fallen even as the proportion of Americans born on foreign soil has grown, and as rates of unauthorised immigration have gone up..."

"...crunching the numbers turns up "essentially no correlation between immigrants and violent crime."

"...increases in immigration and language diversity over the decade of the 1990s predicted decreases in neighborhood homicide rates in the late '90s and up to 2006."

"...Mexican immigrants are less prone to violence than native-born Americans, whites or black, of comparable age and socio-economic status."

"Cities of concentrated immigration are some of the safest places around."

"American white guys with high-school diplomas are more likely to get tossed in the can than Guatemalan or Honduran fellows without them."


So for those of you who claimed or inferred that illegal immigrants commit more crimes, I'll just chalk your attitude up to profound ignorance on the subject. But next time you say it, you'll just be lying.

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