Sanders Wins Wyoming

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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
I'd say the Colorado victory for Ted Cruz was far more interesting. They had no primary. They had no caucus. Ted got all the delegates. They don't need no stinkin' voters.



They had a set of rules. Cruz followed the rules and won the delegates. Trump didn't participate and lost.
The trump campaign is pathetically lax when it comes to organization.
Did you know his own children missed the cutoff date to register to vote? Its not like they just turned 18, either.

For this election the Leadership of the Colorado Republican party changed their rules to eliminate the primary and not bind delegates to the will of the voters. Even though all of the candidates were aware of the new rules, it doesn't make it right. It makes it elitist.

Even Republicans should get to vote and their party should take those votes into consideration. This is simply another way the party elite controls the outcome. The AlanLeroy party will be more democratic than elitist in our selection process.

Could Trump have acquired some delegates if he had spent a bunch of money there....Probably. But that's not my point. My point is, it's the will of the VOTERS being overruled by the political elite....Welcome to American Politics,
Trumps dis-organization couldn't even get the names of their delegates spelled right or in the correct order. There is more to running for President than giving a canned speech to a bunch of know-nothings.
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Originally posted by: billryan There is more to running for President than giving a canned speech to a bunch of know-nothings.
Of course there is. There's rules for every state. Many of those rules overrule the will of the voters. It's not how I would do it, but I can understand the entrenched politicos whose livelihoods depend on the power structure doing it that way.

But still...after all that..and all these speeches to 'know-nothings' (ie..American Voters), The Donald is still leading, isn't he? And it looks like your fellow New Yorker know-nothings are going to add to that.



As the so called elite establishment hates Ted Cruz as much as they hate Donald, I'm not sure how you can call ahead happening elitism. Trumps so unorganized that his kids missed the deadline to register and trump is lying about it.

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Originally posted by: billryan

As the so called elite establishment hates Ted Cruz as much as they hate Donald, I'm not sure how you can call ahead happening elitism.

Oh they hate Trump more. That's why they teamed up with Cruz in Colorado. That's why Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham endorsed Cruz....For now.

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Originally posted by: billryan

...his kids missed the deadline to register and trump is lying about it.

Of all the things in the world that concern me this just doesn't elevate to hill of beans level for me.

Not that I am going to vote for Trump anyway...Not that I'm even a Republican. But I certainly recognize what he has managed to accomplish. And there's plenty that I agree with...Like:

1. Not spending 10 times more than any other country on our military
2. Our role in and the mission of NATO
3. These free trade agreements like NAFTA and TTP that end up just exploiting our markets and cheap foreign labor.
4. The stupidity of the Iraq War
5. Securing our border.

Of course there's plenty I don't agree with including his demeanor....so you have to look at the whole package.

In the final analysis, it's remarkable for someone who has never run for political office to be leading a major political party at this point in the race. I'm guessing the last time that happened was Dwight Eisenhower.

1) Doesnt Trump want to spend even more on the military?
2)Over 1,000 NATO troops have been killed in Afganistan, helping us
3) Do you really think Donald understands trade issues? Not only does he exaggerate the deficits, but he makes it seem like any savings would go to the government.
4) As does 85% of the population .
5) empty rhetoric, as almost as many illegals fly into the country on visas and simply stay. What would a wall do to stop that?
Yep, Dwight. And before that Hoover.
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Originally posted by: billryan
1) Doesnt Trump want to spend even more on the military?
2)Over 1,000 NATO troops have been killed in Afganistan, helping us
3) Do you really think Donald understands trade issues? Not only does he exaggerate the deficits, but he makes it seem like any savings would go to the government.
4) As does 85% of the population .
5) empty rhetoric, as almost as many illegals fly into the country on visas and simply stay. What would a wall do to stop that?

1&2...Trump wants our allies to contribute more. That means spending less of our money. Most of NATOs resources are dedicated to fighting a War with the Soviet Union. That whole outfit needs to be reformed and Trump is the only candidate who has the balls to bring it up. Also, letting South Korea and Japan take care of themselves. Reducing the scope of the role of our military has been desired by Liberals and Libertarians for years.

3. I think Trump understands International Trade better than any of the other current candidates. He's right about China's currency manipulation. He's right about one sided deals. He's right that many of our 'partners' set up barriers to entry that we often don't. Of course you could argue that former Secretary Clinton knows international trade. She supported NAFTA and flip-flopped on TPP.

4. Except, of course the leading democratic candidate voted for the Iraq War.

5. I didn't say build a wall. I said seal the border. That includes Northern and Southern borders, ports of entry and making sure there are consequences to VISA overstays..


I actually think Bernie agrees with my original 1-4. Hillary, not so much. There's a lot I don't like about Trump now too. A lot I don't like about Cruz. A lot I don't like about Hillary.

1)donald wants to reduce US military spending in Asia by allowing Japan and South Korea to acquire nuclear weapons. That alone should be enough to not even consider voting for him.
3)We print pretty pieces of green paper and send them overseas. In return .we get cars, tvs, toasters and anything else our hearts desire. What is not to like?
5) But donald wants to build a wall. A beautiful wall. Where he'd build it? Who knows. Is he going to build it right along the border, right thru several National and State Parks?
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Originally posted by: billryan
1)donald wants to reduce US military spending in Asia by allowing Japan and South Korea to acquire nuclear weapons. That alone should be enough to not even consider voting for him.
3)We print pretty pieces of green paper and send them overseas. In return .we get cars, tvs, toasters and anything else our hearts desire. What is not to like?
5) But donald wants to build a wall. A beautiful wall. Where he'd build it? Who knows. Is he going to build it right along the border, right thru several National and State Parks?

1. North Korea has a nuke. Why shouldn't South Korea and Japan if they want. And if they decide they really want one, what are we going to do to stop them? Sanctions? They don't want it because they're happy with us paying for their defense. I'd rather have their taxpayers pay for their own defense or pay us for their defense. With 19 trillion in debt, we can no longer afford to be the world's policeman...for free.

3. What's wrong with running a $500 Billion a year trade deficit with a state-controlled mercantilist trading partner? They will eventually use those pretty green pieces of paper...not to buy our products but to buy our industrial base. https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-outbound-acquisitions-concerns-2016-2

"102 Chinese outbound mergers-and-acquisitions deals announced this year, amounting to $81.6 billion in value, according to Dealogic. That's up from 72 deals worth $11 billion in the same period (Jan & Feb) last year." This is a direct consequence of unfair trade.

They will also use that trade surplus to support their currency manipulation and to strip our natural resources. Losing our industrial base doesn't necessarily impact old guys like us, but maybe our grandkids....and if it continues for too long, we'll get to see what being a Chinese colony is like.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with fair trade....that's when they're buying about the same amount of product from us as we buy from them. That helps both countries, but if you think there are no consequences from half a trillion dollar a year trade deficits, I've got an international hotel chain to sell you.

5. Donald did say the wall would not be continuous there are parts of the border where a wall does not make sense. He has also been endorsed by the Border Patrol Union who have never before endorsed any candidate. I'm just thinking they know more about the border than you or I, eh? Donald also said he supports E-Verify and will try to stop all forms of illegal immigration...but people only hear what they want to hear.

Sometimes I wonder if some of his banter...like making Mexico pay for the wall is just an opening negotiation position. Maybe he only really wants them to go halfies on it. And again, there is a lot I don't like about him....but it's a choice. If he's the candidate I'll have to compare him to Hillary and the Libertarian and to Not Voting for President. There's a lot I don't like about Hillary too. The one thing people seem to like most about Hillary is she's not Donald....so there you go. Of course he's not even the candidate yet. If he's not the candidate, it may be hard for the democrats to motivate their people to go out and vote for Hillary.

In any event, I don't know if Hillary even cares about preventing 5 time deported criminals from returning and murdering Americans....or what if anything she will do to prevent illegal immigration.

Or where she stands on reducing the size and scope of the military industrial complex....or to make those NATO freeloaders pay their fair share....

Or where she stands (today) on free trade agreements where all those pretty greenbacks go to our competitors and very few come home in the form of orders...and in the words of Ross Perot...whether she will stop that Giant Sucking sound of Manufacturing Jobs flying to the cheap labor of our 'trading partners'....maybe it's too late for that.....but there's plenty of time for Hillary to tell us what she plans to do about it.

Maybe none these issues rise to the level of global climate change on the democratic party scale, but they do resonate with a lot of voters.
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