Saudis may sell off billions

No idea. Why are the others public?
Looks like an agreement was reached during the Nixon administration to group all the OPEC nations together as far as debt goes.
I admit I have a bias against Saudi Arabia. A religious dictatorship that doesn't allow women to travel alone or drive...Used their oil wealth against us more than once. Not my friend.
PJ, please explain how spending less government money increases government debt?



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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Were these assets purchased with some of that pretty green paper that we've been sending them for years? Bernie plans for us to send more pretty green paper to the Saudi's in the future.


Brought to you by the guy that wants to issue more debt via repealing Obamacare



When the Saudis use this pretty green paper to buy nearly a billion dollars worth of assets with, how does that work out. A trillion dollars worth of pretty green paper, apparently turns into pretty NY properties. For some odd reason, Billy doesn't understand that pretty green paper often turns into skyscrapers around the United States.


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Originally posted by: billryan
So we print up pieces of pretty green paper, send them to the middle east and receive the life blood of our economy for them, but boiler has a problem with that.


Boiler evidently hates capitalism. America is a capitalist country. Why does boiler hate America?
Billy, you once again prove to hold a magnificent lack of understanding of supply and demand.


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Originally posted by: billryan
Why would others panic if SA started to sell off its assets? The reason for their sale would have nothing to do with the relative strengths of their investment.


What does PJ care about this topic, assuming that he agrees with Billy's position about "pretty green paper". Does PJ agree with Billy, or not?


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
What assets would Saudi Arabia replace with their US bonds? Euro bonds with negative interest rates? Or maybe South American bonds which pay handsome returns as long as the rock solid economies of Brazil and Argentina hold up. Or maybe Chinese bonds with the full backing of the reliable/transparent Chinese government.

I'm not a great poker player but I'm calling thier bluff


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Just suppose the Saudis dump their US assets. What would the impact be on our economy?

1. Bond prices would decrease with a corresponding rise in interest rates. How high would they go? That depends on whether others panic and follow suit.
2. Equity prices would decrease. How low would they go? That depends on whether others panic and follow suit.
3. The value of the dollar would decline creating inflationary pressure. How much? Unknown.

We know these are the impacts of an asset dump. We just don't know how severe that impact will be.

Worst case scenario: Stock Market Crash combined with Crushing Interest Rates and High Inflation.
Best case scenario: Slightly higher interest rates, a stock market correction and a slightly weaker dollar.
DonDiego opines alanleroyII's analysis is essentially correct.

However, DonDiego surmises many of the predictions are likely to transpire even if the Saudis don't "dump their bonds".
And the severity of the impacts would likely be greater than "normal" because the Fed, the US Central Bank, has become the major holder of US bonds in an ever-more-difficult effort to forestall an economic downtown. It's the sort of difficulty which arises when a Government and Central Bank collude to prevent a down-cycle in a "free economy". Down cycles are necessary to weed out the inefficient/unnecessary/derelict participants in such an economy; the result of a delayed down-cycle is usually a worse down-cycle than would otherwise have occurred.

DonDiego suggests one needn't concern oneself with the fate of the Big Bank bankers; they'll be the first to protect themselves, . . . as will the "in-the-know" politicians.
However, one might start thinking about effects on one's own lifestyle with the possible combination of high interest rates and less purchasing power for one's dollars.

And one needn't worry about poor old DonDiego either; he pretty much got out of the market 8 months ago, except for his single largest holding; and it has risen 130% since New Years.
And DonDiego is comfortable not residing in a large city; a denser population seems to lead to greater unpleasantness in such situations.

Everything comes to an end; and at least in the US something new comes along, . . . so far.
Maybe Senator Sanders' comrades will come up with a solution next time, . . . like everything one needs is "free" and they'll tell everyone exactly what they need.
The Saudi's have about $750 billion dollars worth of assets in the US. As the total US has assets of in excess of 250 trillion, you are talking about a relative drop in the bucket. A good chunk of that is in real estate that will take months to come to market and sell, and even if most of it is in bonds, that market is a 5 trillion dollar a day operation. Sold over a typical 20 day work month, that's $700 billion sold out of a 100 trillion dollar market. Not to mention the Fed can always just do another round of QE and print mo' money.
Sorry, folks, but the sky still isn't falling.
Just some food for thought- The Saudis operate on five year plans, as do many totalitarian governments. When those budgets were drawn up two or three years ago,
What was oil selling for? Double what it is today? Triple? Oil producing countries world wide are suffering from the low cost of oil. Why would The House of Saud be any different?
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