Say it Is not So Another Casino Construction Failure

Dr Milled make no sense. Somehow holding construction workers responsible for their shoddy work is a liberal weakness in his crazy brain.
snively- you need to work on your comprehension skills. My reference to Liberals was directed to treegirl's logic about the facts of this situation - not the construction workers quality of work- which speaks for itself.
oobiedoobie- I am always polite when posting. You mistake my directness concerning reality as being impolite. As I have stated before, the truth is the truth - no matter how stated or perceived.
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Originally posted by: irishjames23
Sometimes you get what you pay for. That is the point of this whole mess. You hire the lowest bidder and you are not always getting the best job. Sometimes it pays not to be cheap and pay the least amount possible to have a project done. Quality comes with a price. I know there are guys out there that will perform the same task as me for half the money but that in no way means that they can or can not finish the job with the same quality and structural integrity. Many times being the lowest bidder means you are working on very thin margins and any company nows this will result in cutting corners to save the bottom line.


My point is the responsibility still lies with the people actually doing the work - not the people paying them to do so. Qualified engineers design the plans that the contractors are required to follow to the letter. If the contractors don't follow those specs and instead choose to use different materials, or vary in any way from the provided plans, THEY are the ones who are responsible for any failures.

The structural integrity should be the same whether the high, low, or middle bidder does the work - they all get the EXACT same engineered plans to bid on and work with. It's nonsense to suggest that structural integrity would somehow vary based on the size of the winning bid. (Anyway, we do not know whether the contractor involved in this incident was the low or high bidder, or somewhere in between so assumptions should not made in that area.)

The quality of materials used also has to be within certain limits, again based on the provided engineering specs and on building regulations. Corners can only be cut within the allowed range of limits for the materials. Using materials from the lower end of the allowed range is still acceptable - going lower than the bottom end of the range is not. In other words you can't use a 2x4 where a 2x6 is required.

By bidding on a contract you are agreeing to follow the plans as provided for your stated price - not to "free-style" with them. If you choose not to do so, you, the contractor, are responsible for any issues caused by your unauthorized deviation from the plan.

The only exception I can see to this is if the original engineered plans themselves are flawed. If they were followed exactly and a failure then occurred, the engineers designing and approving those plans are left holding the responsibility. I would suggest that is a much less likely scenario in this case.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
What DonDiego says may come to pass...just as Aristophanes was persecuted by the demagogue Cleon.
Hmmmmm, . . . . Cleon, . . . Cleon. Wasn't Cleon Aristophanes's tailor?

Aristophanes enters the tailor shop.
Cleon: "Euripides trousers?"
Aristophanes: ""Eumenides trousers?"

Ahhhhh, . . . DonDiego loves the classics.

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Originally posted by: oobiedoobie
drmilled- many of us tired of you long ago but we tried to remain polite


Agreed he/she/it is a true troll on the boards with something negative to say about everything. I don't think anyone cares about he/she/it.
I live in Toledo. Ohio and am glad that Penn National is the owner of the Toledo Hollywood Casino. The casino looks great and is almost complete. No more driving to Detroit for a night of gambling fun. Caesar's Entertainment=cheap
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Originally posted by: drmilled
snively- you need to work on your comprehension skills. My reference to Liberals was directed to treegirl's logic about the facts of this situation - not the construction workers quality of work- which speaks for itself.


There is nothing wrong with TG's logic. Instead of trying to explain your nonsensical logic you just continue with your nonsensical negative posts.
And.... don't forget that I am obviously affiliated with the company.
lol
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Originally posted by: treegirl
And.... don't forget that I am obviously affiliated with the company.
lol


In DrMilled's alternate universe anyone who blames the collapse on the workers that performed the actual work is labeled a liberal and it is the conservatives that blame the evil corporation.
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