Shaming annoying players off the table

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Rock'n Rick, I notice when a player makes an "unusual" hit causing the table to lose. Lots of folks notice this. Few of us, however, notice when the opposite happens. I do.

I've played exclusively blackjack on each of my 60 plus Vegas trips, and not once have I been upset with another players choice to hit or not to hit. In fact, when another player gets upset at such unusual play, I'll make certain to point out to the disgruntled player when the "unusual" hit creates a win. They each occur 50% of the time.


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Originally posted by: Rock'n Rick
The last several posts is the main reason I play video poker and not blackjack.
If I make a mistake I don't have to deal with other people arguing with me about
what I should or shouldn't have done, ..... name calling, and then possibly ecalating to who knows what.
I enjoy gambing too much to get thrown out or banned from a casino.

Rick



Of course. Dealer is sitting there with a 6 showing and some yokel on third base with a 13 hits and pulls a 10 and busts. The dealer pulls a 5 for 21 and the whole table groans. Alternatively, the yokel pulls the 5 and the dealer gets the bust card. Unless someone is counting, there is no mathematical reason that the next two cards to be dealt are more likely to be sitting 5-10 than 10-5.
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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Rock'n Rick, I notice when a player makes an "unusual" hit causing the table to lose. Lots of folks notice this. Few of us, however, notice when the opposite happens. I do.

I've played exclusively blackjack on each of my 60 plus Vegas trips, and not once have I been upset with another players choice to hit or not to hit. In fact, when another player gets upset at such unusual play, I'll make certain to point out to the disgruntled player when the "unusual" hit creates a win. They each occur 50% of the time.


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Originally posted by: Rock'n Rick
The last several posts is the main reason I play video poker and not blackjack.
If I make a mistake I don't have to deal with other people arguing with me about
what I should or shouldn't have done, ..... name calling, and then possibly ecalating to who knows what.
I enjoy gambing too much to get thrown out or banned from a casino.

Rick



Of course. Dealer is sitting there with a 6 showing and some yokel on third base with a 13 hits and pulls a 10 and busts. The dealer pulls a 5 for 21 and the whole table groans. Alternatively, the yokel pulls the 5 and the dealer gets the bust card. Unless someone is counting, there is no mathematical reason that the next two cards to be dealt are more likely to be sitting 5-10 than 10-5.

You're not taking into account the bad karma impact of yokel play.

Yep, the yokel's Karma definitely causes the cards to reshuffle themselves.


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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Rock'n Rick, I notice when a player makes an "unusual" hit causing the table to lose. Lots of folks notice this. Few of us, however, notice when the opposite happens. I do.

I've played exclusively blackjack on each of my 60 plus Vegas trips, and not once have I been upset with another players choice to hit or not to hit. In fact, when another player gets upset at such unusual play, I'll make certain to point out to the disgruntled player when the "unusual" hit creates a win. They each occur 50% of the time.


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Originally posted by: Rock'n Rick
The last several posts is the main reason I play video poker and not blackjack.
If I make a mistake I don't have to deal with other people arguing with me about
what I should or shouldn't have done, ..... name calling, and then possibly ecalating to who knows what.
I enjoy gambing too much to get thrown out or banned from a casino.

Rick



Of course. Dealer is sitting there with a 6 showing and some yokel on third base with a 13 hits and pulls a 10 and busts. The dealer pulls a 5 for 21 and the whole table groans. Alternatively, the yokel pulls the 5 and the dealer gets the bust card. Unless someone is counting, there is no mathematical reason that the next two cards to be dealt are more likely to be sitting 5-10 than 10-5.

You're not taking into account the bad karma impact of yokel play.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Rock'n Rick, I notice when a player makes an "unusual" hit causing the table to lose. Lots of folks notice this. Few of us, however, notice when the opposite happens. I do.

I've played exclusively blackjack on each of my 60 plus Vegas trips, and not once have I been upset with another players choice to hit or not to hit. In fact, when another player gets upset at such unusual play, I'll make certain to point out to the disgruntled player when the "unusual" hit creates a win. They each occur 50% of the time.

Right on, man !

When DonDiego is in a casino his foremost objective is to enjoy himself. He's been playing games since he was a little kid; growing up his older brother and he were the neighborhood hosts for playing all sorts of card games and board games like Rook and Flinch and Parcheesi and Park and Shop and Pirate and Traveler - sorta a precursor to Risk - and Monopoly.
And all along the idea of shaming someone from the table did not occur to him. He assumed everyone was there to enjoy himself. The only reason for ejecting someone from the game would be cheating or extreme ill-manners.

When he grew up, . . . to the extent that he has grown up, . . . he'd still enjoy a game of Monopoly with kids and/or adults, and Rummy/ Poker/Oh Hell/ etc. with family and friends.

And somewhere along the line DonDiego discovered casinos and Las Vegas.

As far as "serious gambling" goes, DonDiego limited himself to blackjack and NFL-wagering. He knows the odds at the other casino games cannot be beaten - at least not by DonDiego, so he'll play them either not-at-all or for low stakes to pleasurably while away the time. [Although, back in the last decade there was a company that offered some "slots" that one could improve one's odds at - a "submarine game" in which, like Battleship one could apply skill in the bonus shooting round and a "trivia" game where knowing the right answer paid off some. After a few years they vanished.]
But DonDiego digresses.

When he lived within a day's drive of Las Vegas DonDiego would study the NFL, before and during the season. he'd keep his own records and power rating for each team. He'd handicap each game. And occasionally, maybe 5 or 6 times during the season, he'd go to Las vegas to place some wagers. He'd walk around Downtown and along the Strip and note the odds at a bunch of sports books and narrow down his betting selections to a small handful. And then place them where he got the better odds and watch the games all afternoon Sunday.
Sometimes he won, sometimes he lost, lots of times he'd break even-or-nearly-so, and occasionally he won big.
He usually avoided the SuperBowl, but not always. In SuperBowl XXXII he thought the books had the wrong side and he placed a bundle on Denver+11 over GreenBay; Denver won 31-24. In SuperBowl XXXIV he placed lots of bets including St. Louis-7 over Tennessee and the UNDER, . . . and even a bunch of proposition bets and parlays at the Juarez Sports Book across the Mexican border from El Paso; he won every bet except he pushed on the side. But DonDiego digresses, . . . again.

Ok, . . . here's the point.
When DonDiego is in a casino his game of choice is Blackjack. He plays well. Sometimes he loses, sometimes he wins, . . . in fact, much of the time he wins.
And when he is at the table he hopes to i. enjoy the game and ii. win some money. Here is the most valuable lesson DonDiego can offer the aspiring table gambler: If one is at the table and something is sufficiently annoying that one is no longer enjoying the game, one should leave that table. This is easy in Las Vegas, there's lots of other tables one can go to, . . . but it still applies even in Deadwood and Pittsburgh, even if there aren't other tables.
Actually, poor old DonDiego is pretty laid back. And he doesn't wanna stand out at a table; if the table is low key and calm, he'll be likewise; if the table is energized, DonDiego'll join the party; if folks wanna chat DonDiego can be downright chatty. And even if someone is playing badly and "taking the dealer's bust card all the time" DonDiego'll just take the occasion to marvel at the variety displayed in human behavior.

Just as when he was a little kid unless someone at the table is cheating or extremely ill-mannered he is unlikely to be bothered, . . . and if he were he'd leave the table himself before trying to influence someone else to do so. n.b. This is especially the case if DonDiego detected someone cheating; DonDiego has no interest in sitting at a gaming table in Las Vegas if someone is cheating.
So a poor player is seldom the reason to leave the table, . . . although if there is another reason to leave, the bad player may serve as an apparent reason to leave.

All the above having been said, . . . DonDiego supposes the rationale that 50% of the time the poor player will "help the table" and 50% of the time the poor player will "hurt the table" may not tell the whole story. Especially, if for some reason one is varying one's bet, . . . say like Rainman's brother was, . . . one will occasionally have a large bet out and occasionally have a small bet out. DonDiego's observation is that the tendency among the poorest players, especially the one's that "take the dealer's bust card", is to hit too often as opposed to standing too often. So it may turn out that if the decks remaining were such as to favor placing a large bet, the skilled player might well find himself losing money as a result of someone else's bad play, even if the 50%-50% conclusion were true, because he'd lose more of his larger bets.

Even so, DonDiego would not shame another player. He might stay at the table; he might leave the table. It's not his job nor his personal inclination to shame anyone.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Yep, the yokel's Karma definitely causes the cards to reshuffle themselves.


It has nothing to do with the cards. It has to do with negative energy.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Yep, the yokel's Karma definitely causes the cards to reshuffle themselves.


It has nothing to do with the cards. It has to do with negative energy.


I agree, the negative energy created by the angry dude at the table. Make your own happiness in life and stop expecting others to behave a certain way at a blackjack table. (Just an opinion that is not aimed at anyone particular on this here thread)

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Originally posted by: Liondownnow
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Yep, the yokel's Karma definitely causes the cards to reshuffle themselves.


It has nothing to do with the cards. It has to do with negative energy.


I agree, the negative energy created by the angry dude at the table. Make your own happiness in life and stop expecting others to behave a certain way at a blackjack table. (Just an opinion that is not aimed at anyone particular on this here thread)

It's horrible that annoying yokels are subjected to public ridicule, fake sneezes and worse. Ruins the whole atmosphere. If only they were better at math.

But as bad that may be, just try adjusting your chips while the craps dice are in the air. Those bones hit your hand and land on a 7, you and your entire family are cursed for 3 generations.



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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: Liondownnow
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Yep, the yokel's Karma definitely causes the cards to reshuffle themselves.


It has nothing to do with the cards. It has to do with negative energy.


I agree, the negative energy created by the angry dude at the table. Make your own happiness in life and stop expecting others to behave a certain way at a blackjack table. (Just an opinion that is not aimed at anyone particular on this here thread)

It's horrible that annoying yokels are subjected to public ridicule, fake sneezes and worse. Ruins the whole atmosphere. If only they were better at math.

But as bad that may be, just try adjusting your chips while the craps dice are in the air. Those bones hit your hand and land on a 7, you and your entire family are cursed for 3 generations.


CURSED!? Oh it's far more serious than just being cursed. And far more than just 3 generations, I'm talking about damming all the pets that person ever had as well.
That stuff on the BJ table is just stuff, But the craps table......That's real. Any and all "superstitions" on the craps table can be backed up by cold hard irrefutable physics.

D.D. got it right: if you are NOT having fun at the BJ table,find another.
If you see that some players don't know the "basic strategy",don't try and teach them at the table.
You may GROAN at a poor play,but it does NOT affect your hand.
The nastiest thing that I have ever said to a player at 3rd base: "You shouldn't be playing at 3rd base!"
Karma? NO.
The idea with these round things is to have fun.
That is why you are there!
If you are one of those that truly are offended by "poor play" and you think it affects your outcome,THINK AGAIN.
BJ is NOT "team play" or you would elect the best "basic strategy" player for 3rd base.
To toke or not to toke is another question.
If you enjoy the company of the DEALER,please show your appreciation, in the form of a tip.
If the dealer is cutting the cards deep into the deck and you are counting,tip the HELL out of that dealer.
My card count,when working, is an amazing tool to predict the next card,sometimes.
The important thing to remember is that the dealer PLAYS LAST.
All of the cards that all of you took does affect the dealers card DRAWS.
If the players take a lot of small cards.........................
Bottom line: count cards,people.
Have the most fun for your money and play at a table that you have FUN at.
That's what I enjoy,most of all: having fun.
I like beer,too.

In craps,I like to yell "HANDS UP!" Wait 2 seconds and then fire.
Do the dummies that bet a terrible area of the craps lay out affect the outcome of the dice? NO.
Only if the dummies hand gets hit by the dice.(I hope it hurts).
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Originally posted by: captain bill
I'm with you Rick, thats the reason I switched from BJ to VP. Never regretted it.


You can always try craps. The players tend to be friendlier with newbies.
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