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SNAP (Food Stamp) money funneled to Yemen? (Probably POL)

forkushV
forkushV
Jun 4, 2015
6:47am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"But be careful what you wish for. If poor people are motivated to spend hours at the DMV getting IDs, then possession of government issued photo IDs - which are usually driver licenses - will no longer have a huge Republican bias. And some of your favorite new laws will be for nothing"

But with all those evil voter id laws, blacks had their highest turnout ever in 2012.

Don't you think that the requirement to vote should be as stringent as cashing a check?
No.

Check fraud costs hundreds of millions of dollars every year, and writing a check isn't a Constitutional right. And voter impersonation laws are a solution in search of a problem. It doesn't happen just about ever.

forkushV
forkushV
Jun 4, 2015
7:07am
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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I wonder if this is just the tip of the iceberg with respect to fraud in the SNAP system. I don't understand why I must show a state issued ID to pay for food at WalMart with a check or to board an airplane, but an ID is not needed for a SNAP transaction or to vote.

Seems really easy to solve this problem.
I actually agree with you on requiring proper identification for SNAP transactions. If you are correct about that, I think the law should be changed.

But be careful what you wish for. If poor people are motivated to spend hours at the DMV getting IDs, then possession of government issued photo IDs - which are usually driver licenses - will no longer have a huge Republican bias. And some of your favorite new laws will be for nothing.


OK, I'm lost on this one. Clue me in on these laws and political stances and bias' so I don't spend all day on Google searches.

We do a lot of work with Orange County's poor (yes, Orange County does have poor people) so I do have first hand experience with this. Almost all the lower socio economic class have state IDs. Its a rare person who does not. Helping those who are eligible to get a driver license or if not a state ID is one of the first steps to ending a persons homelessness.
Sorry about that - and good for you for your contributions. I was referring to the voter ID laws that have sprung up to the non-existent problem of voter impersonation.

Under some of the new voting laws, when your (theoretical) child comes of age, it would cost her virtually zero time, zero effort, and zero money to "earn" her right to vote. Why? Because she will have already gotten a government issued photo ID because she wanted to drive the car you bought her. ALL of her negligible expense and ALL of her effort would be for that, and voting rights would just be an afterthought to the average teenager, right?

On the other hand, a poor person with no hopes of getting a car would have to pay for a duplicate birth certificate (poor people move a lot and lose a lot of stuff), pay for a duplicate marriage license (if she changed her name), pay for the Photo ID card, and spend hours at the DMV, all to "earn" the right to vote.

So in the above scenarios, who is much, much, much, much more likely to become a voter? Pretty obvious answer, isn't it? jphelan's icon has to do with accusing Obama of being born in Kenya. And his support for voter ID laws is racist too.
Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Jun 4, 2015
8:44am
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Feds: Florida Doctor Gave Cancer Patients Unapproved Drugs

(AP) A Florida doctor has been charged with giving cancer patients medications from other countries, billing for the FDA-approved versions, and pocketing the difference.

And now she's facing prison.
coldhoist
coldhoist
Jun 4, 2015
8:50am
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If you think requiring proper ID for SNAP transactions will solve the problem, you are very naive. You folks do not have a clue of what is going on here.
The people running the stores in the ghettos are straight up crooks. They do not give damn about checking ID's. This shit would not happen if the store owners were not such crooks. Understand that these store owners are not people who live in the neighborhood. They are Arabs who come into the ghetto just to defraud the government because they know nobody is watching the SNAP transactions. The corruption is too deep.
This only way to stop this to go undercover and start arresting people and either sending them to jail or back to the country they came from.
But, there is too much easy, free money out there and the Feds are looking the other way.

jphelan
jphelan
Jun 4, 2015
10:54am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"But be careful what you wish for. If poor people are motivated to spend hours at the DMV getting IDs, then possession of government issued photo IDs - which are usually driver licenses - will no longer have a huge Republican bias. And some of your favorite new laws will be for nothing"

But with all those evil voter id laws, blacks had their highest turnout ever in 2012.

Don't you think that the requirement to vote should be as stringent as cashing a check?
No.

Check fraud costs hundreds of millions of dollars every year, and writing a check isn't a Constitutional right. And voter impersonation laws are a solution in search of a problem. It doesn't happen just about ever.



Pretzel logic ---- only 27 people were arrested in the SNAP program out of billions of dollars spent in the program and we all agree this is the tip of the iceberg. Are you trying to tell me only 31 fraudulent ballots were cast --- I don't think so, not if you include the dead people voting in Chicago.

If you must present an ID to purchase groceries with a check or board an airplane, why shouldn't you need an ID to vote or purchase groceries with your SNAP card?

jphelan
jphelan
Jun 4, 2015
11:00am
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Originally posted by: forkushV=
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jphelan's icon has to do with accusing Obama of being born in Kenya. And his support for voter ID laws is racist too.


I NEVER said our President was born in Kenya - but I continue to point out that he is the only President to ever have the doctor sign his name with a smiley face. I think that makes him special!

And for this I am a racist? Please.

My support for eliminating fraud from the SNAP program and from elections is racist also? Please.

You are delusional.
chefantwon
chefantwon
Jun 4, 2015
11:09am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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I wonder if this is just the tip of the iceberg with respect to fraud in the SNAP system. I don't understand why I must show a state issued ID to pay for food at WalMart with a check or to board an airplane, but an ID is not needed for a SNAP transaction or to vote.

Seems really easy to solve this problem.
I actually agree with you on requiring proper identification for SNAP transactions. If you are correct about that, I think the law should be changed.

But be careful what you wish for. If poor people are motivated to spend hours at the DMV getting IDs, then possession of government issued photo IDs - which are usually driver licenses - will no longer have a huge Republican bias. And some of your favorite new laws will be for nothing.


And MAYBE we will get rid of some that voter fraud as well..
Stewart
Stewart
Jun 4, 2015
11:29am
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when you use a snap or food stamp card, it is just like using a debit card, you enter a pin #, eliminating the clerk's need to ask for ID. if a welfare recipient lets someone else use their card and pin # then they are complicit. some cards have a food option as well as a cash option, with cash option you can buy alcohol and tobacco products. and I am working 2 jobs to pay for this.
Stewart
Stewart
Jun 4, 2015
11:31am
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and coldhoist has made some valid points. the system is knee deep in fraud. it is a system that just begs to be abused.
forkushV
forkushV
Jun 4, 2015
12:41pm
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"But be careful what you wish for. If poor people are motivated to spend hours at the DMV getting IDs, then possession of government issued photo IDs - which are usually driver licenses - will no longer have a huge Republican bias. And some of your favorite new laws will be for nothing"

But with all those evil voter id laws, blacks had their highest turnout ever in 2012.

Don't you think that the requirement to vote should be as stringent as cashing a check?
No.

Check fraud costs hundreds of millions of dollars every year, and writing a check isn't a Constitutional right. And voter impersonation laws are a solution in search of a problem. It doesn't happen just about ever.



Pretzel logic ---- only 27 people were arrested in the SNAP program...
Are you sure about that?


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