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jphelan
jphelan
Jun 4, 2015
1:03pm
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Are you sure about your assertion that only 31 "credible" incidents of voter fraud have occurred?


forkushV
forkushV
Jun 4, 2015
1:42pm
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Originally posted by: jphelan
Are you sure about your assertion that only 31 "credible" incidents of voter fraud have occurred?
There's lots of voter fraud, like your first hit about the guy tampering with voting machines and electioneering in the polling place. Or Mitt Romney claiming that he lived in his son's unfinished basement. And voter ID laws wouldn't have prevented either, would they?

Voter ID laws are typically aimed at voter IMPERSONATION. which is virtually non-existent; only 31 credible instances in a billion votes. Like I said, voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem, because voter impersonation sightings are about as common as unicorns.

jatki
jatki
Jun 4, 2015
2:57pm
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"But be careful what you wish for. If poor people are motivated to spend hours at the DMV getting IDs, then possession of government issued photo IDs - which are usually driver licenses - will no longer have a huge Republican bias. And some of your favorite new laws will be for nothing"

But with all those evil voter id laws, blacks had their highest turnout ever in 2012.

Don't you think that the requirement to vote should be as stringent as cashing a check?
No.

Check fraud costs hundreds of millions of dollars every year, and writing a check isn't a Constitutional right. And voter impersonation laws are a solution in search of a problem. It doesn't happen just about ever.



Pretzel logic ---- only 27 people were arrested in the SNAP program out of billions of dollars spent in the program and we all agree this is the tip of the iceberg. Are you trying to tell me only 31 fraudulent ballots were cast --- I don't think so, not if you include the dead people voting in Chicago.

If you must present an ID to purchase groceries with a check or board an airplane, why shouldn't you need an ID to vote or purchase groceries with your SNAP card?


I Know, I had to really laugh at forkies post and the headline quoted..there's not even a billion people here to cast that many votes!! So how many weren't even eligible? So laughable(as usual).
BTW, I have no illusion that there were a million votes cast, so you don't need to go there, unless you feel like looking foolish..Maybe?

This whole photo ID to vote thing is so old, any old/disabled/whatever people who weren't able to obtain anID by now just don't want to or really don't give a crap. The entire argument that it's some huge advantage for any party is absurd( and a lot of crying over milk that was never even spilt), but,WHATEVER. {{shrug}}

forkushV
forkushV
Jun 4, 2015
3:39pm
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"But be careful what you wish for. If poor people are motivated to spend hours at the DMV getting IDs, then possession of government issued photo IDs - which are usually driver licenses - will no longer have a huge Republican bias. And some of your favorite new laws will be for nothing"

But with all those evil voter id laws, blacks had their highest turnout ever in 2012.

Don't you think that the requirement to vote should be as stringent as cashing a check?
No.

Check fraud costs hundreds of millions of dollars every year, and writing a check isn't a Constitutional right. And voter impersonation laws are a solution in search of a problem. It doesn't happen just about ever.



Pretzel logic ---- only 27 people were arrested in the SNAP program out of billions of dollars spent in the program and we all agree this is the tip of the iceberg. Are you trying to tell me only 31 fraudulent ballots were cast --- I don't think so, not if you include the dead people voting in Chicago.

If you must present an ID to purchase groceries with a check or board an airplane, why shouldn't you need an ID to vote or purchase groceries with your SNAP card?


I Know, I had to really laugh at forkies post and the headline quoted..there's not even a billion people here to cast that many votes!!...
Wanna bet?

From 2000 to 2014, in general, primary, special, and municipal elections. It's OVER a billion votes - with 31 credible instances of voter impersonation.

jatki
jatki
Jun 4, 2015
4:06pm
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"But be careful what you wish for. If poor people are motivated to spend hours at the DMV getting IDs, then possession of government issued photo IDs - which are usually driver licenses - will no longer have a huge Republican bias. And some of your favorite new laws will be for nothing"

But with all those evil voter id laws, blacks had their highest turnout ever in 2012.

Don't you think that the requirement to vote should be as stringent as cashing a check?
No.

Check fraud costs hundreds of millions of dollars every year, and writing a check isn't a Constitutional right. And voter impersonation laws are a solution in search of a problem. It doesn't happen just about ever.



Pretzel logic ---- only 27 people were arrested in the SNAP program out of billions of dollars spent in the program and we all agree this is the tip of the iceberg. Are you trying to tell me only 31 fraudulent ballots were cast --- I don't think so, not if you include the dead people voting in Chicago.

If you must present an ID to purchase groceries with a check or board an airplane, why shouldn't you need an ID to vote or purchase groceries with your SNAP card?


I Know, I had to really laugh at forkies post and the headline quoted..there's not even a billion people here to cast that many votes!!...
Wanna bet?

From 2000 to 2014, in general, primary, special, and municipal elections. It's OVER a billion votes - with 31 credible instances of voter impersonation.



Sorry, I still laugh in your jenn-er-al di-rec-shun

BTW, I believe the true numbers will be easily accounted for by simply obtaining an ID. There is absolutely no argument whatsoever why a person ,by now, does not have an ID or cannot get one. This has been going on long enough and everyone is aware of it. Arguing anything against is nothing more than a reach.
CowboyKell
CowboyKell
Jun 5, 2015
3:37am
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Everyone should have and ID. Especially the poor. That's why the homeless and chronically poor are encouraged to obtain some sort of official ID. The change in attitude of a person when they obtain an ID is astonishing. It is definitely a tool in the box toward ending the cycle of homelessness and poverty.
While I DO NOT want to see assistance for our poor go away I do want to see the fraud and corruption ended. Official IDs will help. Any deserving poor person can obtain an official ID, help is available from almost every charity that works with the poor. If a person is willing to seek assistance with food and living arrangements they can just as easily get assistance with obtaining an ID. I just really don't see a bad side to requiring IDs.

I also know that much of the problem lies not in identification of those who deserve the assistance. I would also really like to see the end of establishments who sell tobacco and alcohol under the guise of food.
alanleroy
alanleroy
Jun 5, 2015
11:01am
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Instead of birth certificates, implant Official US Citizen Identification RFIDs in all newborns. It could include all the standard Birth Certificate information and a digital fingerprint that is the encryption key for the data. Might even want to implant a few empty RFID's too 'for future use'.

To read the Implant ID, simply attach an RFID reader to a smartphone....but since the data is encrypted, the device can only read your ID card if you tap your finger on the smartphone fingerprint reader.

Of course there would always be the rogue liquor store owner who captures your fingerprint and starts selling fake fingers printed on 3D printers....with your fingerprint.
Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Jun 5, 2015
3:49pm
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Originally posted by: jphelan
Are you sure about your assertion that only 31 "credible" incidents of voter fraud have occurred?












Wow, this could be a really cool way to prove stuff!























Thanks jphelan!









rayxtwo
rayxtwo
Jun 6, 2015
1:37am
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ID to use. a food stamp card??? What do you do about people that shop for home bound people? Before I had my stroke I was a caretaker for a disabled person. I did his shopping and used his card all the time. If it was required to show an ID matching the name on the card, he would have had to leave his house just to pick up a gallon of milk. It was bad enough trying to load him into the car a couple times a month to go to the doctor. Can you imagine all the crap I would have gone through if I had to do this three or four times a week to take care of this???

I know there is abuse in the system but this goes a little overboard.

Ray
Janis Meyer
Janis Meyer
Jun 6, 2015
7:30am
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Per the USDA anyone can use a persons snap card as long as the food is purchased for the household of the snap card holder. I deal with snap fraud everyday it is so hard to keep up with the amount
of fraudsters there are when the state and or federal government won't fund us investigators. Approx 168,000 people live in my county and of that approx 32,000 people are receiving snap benefits
and only ONE person to investigate approximately 700+ complaints per year. (There is more out there as the majority of complaints come from within)
The selling of snap benefits is growing especially because of the drug addicts. Easy to sell.
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