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Originally posted by: DonDiego
When young DonDiego was in high school he attended a debate at nearby Lehigh University between perennial Socialist Party presidential candidate Norman Thomas and prominent conservative William F. Buckley. Mr. Thomas was past his prime, but it was still an educational entertaining experience - observing the back-and-forth on whatever the issue was in accordance with the rules of civil debate.
Unfortunately, poor old, . . . [note the emphasis on "old"], . . . DonDiego fears the art of debate has been lost. Starting in high schools and now, apparently in colleges the idea of a meaningful, intelligent, educational debate as described by daiseybasket and endorsed by DonDiego is, perhaps, a memory.
And DonDiego is not referring to the easy example presented in the American Presidential debates, which feature candidates repeating campaign slogans at one another while trying to embarrass each other.
No, DonDiego presents as evidence the champions of the Cross Examination Debate Association National Championship of 2016.
n.b. The topic of this debate is "The War Powers Resolution".
This is not "debate".
The entire tape of the aforementioned debate can be found at How To Speak Gibberish & Win A National Debate Title
Unfortunately because of a copyright claim the audio has been deleted. As DonDiego thinks about it, the deletion is pr'bly a good thing.
This is not "debate".
As the link states:
i. " . . . the teams were debating the "War Powers Resolution". Rather than address the resolution straight on, [the eventual champions] Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities."
[The winning debaters decided not to address the topic ! ! !]
ii. "Over four hours, the two teams engaged in a heated discussion of concepts like 'nigga authenticity' and performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry in the traditional timed format. At one point during Lee’s rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. 'Fuck the time!' he yelled, . . ."
[DonDiego cannot address this statement intelligently, except that apparently there are no rules.]
iii. [DonDiego cannot say more, . . . really ! ! !, he has nothing more to say.]
In the interest of fairness, it's not just a "black thing": Fast Talking Teens Debate Foreign Policy at Warp Speed
No wonder honest, intellectual, reasonable, real debate is disappearing.
Originally posted by: DonDiego
QuoteDonDiego agrees with daisybasket's proposals with regard to the values inherent in learning and applying the rational techniques of debate.
Originally posted by: daisybasket
I am also hoping at this point that debate become mandatory in high school. I cannot believe the amount of people that cannot understand the concept of knowing almost every subject is not black and white and there are pros and cons to each argument and they are valid. Hell, we even have justified homicide. This was debate 101 and you had to argue each side of the issue. I mean we debated abortion at 15 in debate. It baffles me that "educated" people don't get this concept at this juncture.
When young DonDiego was in high school he attended a debate at nearby Lehigh University between perennial Socialist Party presidential candidate Norman Thomas and prominent conservative William F. Buckley. Mr. Thomas was past his prime, but it was still an educational entertaining experience - observing the back-and-forth on whatever the issue was in accordance with the rules of civil debate.
Unfortunately, poor old, . . . [note the emphasis on "old"], . . . DonDiego fears the art of debate has been lost. Starting in high schools and now, apparently in colleges the idea of a meaningful, intelligent, educational debate as described by daiseybasket and endorsed by DonDiego is, perhaps, a memory.
And DonDiego is not referring to the easy example presented in the American Presidential debates, which feature candidates repeating campaign slogans at one another while trying to embarrass each other.
No, DonDiego presents as evidence the champions of the Cross Examination Debate Association National Championship of 2016.
n.b. The topic of this debate is "The War Powers Resolution".
This is not "debate".
The entire tape of the aforementioned debate can be found at How To Speak Gibberish & Win A National Debate Title
Unfortunately because of a copyright claim the audio has been deleted. As DonDiego thinks about it, the deletion is pr'bly a good thing.
This is not "debate".
As the link states:
i. " . . . the teams were debating the "War Powers Resolution". Rather than address the resolution straight on, [the eventual champions] Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities."
[The winning debaters decided not to address the topic ! ! !]
ii. "Over four hours, the two teams engaged in a heated discussion of concepts like 'nigga authenticity' and performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry in the traditional timed format. At one point during Lee’s rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. 'Fuck the time!' he yelled, . . ."
[DonDiego cannot address this statement intelligently, except that apparently there are no rules.]
iii. [DonDiego cannot say more, . . . really ! ! !, he has nothing more to say.]
In the interest of fairness, it's not just a "black thing": Fast Talking Teens Debate Foreign Policy at Warp Speed
No wonder honest, intellectual, reasonable, real debate is disappearing.
Where's forky when you need him?