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JM2300
JM2300
Apr 21, 2011
2:31am
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I doubt it. Southwest airplanes are not configured/certified to fly over large bodies of water. Its one of the ways they are able to keep their costs down. And airlines have to pay a fee for every country they fly over...so flying from the US to El Salvador over all of the countries in between is pretty expensive.


On a Miami to El Salvador route, how many countries get flown over?

Directly Cuba would be on the flight path.

jhowell
jhowell
Apr 21, 2011
3:49am
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Originally posted by: frugalfan Does not sound right, they have no routes down there and would think the cost of flying planes there just for maintenance would not be cost effective.


A direct flight from Dallas (DFW) to San Salvador, El Salvador (SAL) is only 3hr 20min
DFW 3:55 PM SAL 6:15 PM

A direct flight out of Miami to San Salvador is only 2h 40m .
MIA 6:25pm SAL 7:05pm Nonstop
malibber
malibber
Apr 21, 2011
4:13am
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malibber welcomes Don Diego to the wonderful world of deregulation.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego






DonDiego would feel better if all maintenance was performed in the good old USA by 'mericans, . . . although he doesn't really know that foreign work is inferior.
Nonetheless he recognizes the air passenger transport business is difficult; historically most airlines in the USA lose money until they go bankrupt and merge or sell their assets to another airline which then continues to lose more money. SWA has been an exception.
The romance of owning an airline like that of Howard Hughes is no more. Most airlines now comprise a corporate entity which hires and manages personnel, leases its office space, leases its aircraft, leases its gates, leases its maintenance facilities (if any), outsources its baggage handling, outsources its food handling/processing, and outsources its maintenance.

DonDiego says: "Happy Flying !"


Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Apr 21, 2011
4:57am
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The Frontier A320 you ride from Denver to Las Vegas was assembled in France.

The USAir A321 you ride from Charlotte to Las Vegas was assembled in Germany.

The Delta CRJ900 you ride from Salt Lake to Las Vegas was assembled in Canada.

The JetBlue E190 you ride from Long Beach to Las Vegas was assembled in Brazil.

Exactly why is it concerning that American aviation relies on international know-how?

snidely333
snidely333
Apr 21, 2011
9:53am
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If the plane flies with just a pilot it might not need all that pesky over water safety equipment.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Apr 21, 2011
9:54am
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I doubt it. Southwest airplanes are not configured/certified to fly over large bodies of water. Its one of the ways they are able to keep their costs down. And airlines have to pay a fee for every country they fly over...so flying from the US to El Salvador over all of the countries in between is pretty expensive.


On a Miami to El Salvador route, how many countries get flown over?


Southwest cant fly from Miami to El Salvador unless they follow the coastline all the way down - in which case I believe there are 3 countries between Miami and El Salvador (not to mention an incredibly inefficient route).

Airplanes need to be ETOPS certified in order to fly over water. Basically that means they need to be better configured for a water landing, have improved backup power, and a crew that is regularly trained on water landings and safety prociedures. It is a large expense and one that Southwest has chosen not to undertake to date...although there are rumors that they want to start flying to Hawaii on their own planes.. But for now if they are going to El Salvador they are taking the scenic route over Mexico City.
chefantwon
chefantwon
Apr 21, 2011
11:13am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I doubt it. Southwest airplanes are not configured/certified to fly over large bodies of water. Its one of the ways they are able to keep their costs down. And airlines have to pay a fee for every country they fly over...so flying from the US to El Salvador over all of the countries in between is pretty expensive.


On a Miami to El Salvador route, how many countries get flown over?


Southwest cant fly from Miami to El Salvador unless they follow the coastline all the way down - in which case I believe there are 3 countries between Miami and El Salvador (not to mention an incredibly inefficient route).

Airplanes need to be ETOPS certified in order to fly over water. Basically that means they need to be better configured for a water landing, have improved backup power, and a crew that is regularly trained on water landings and safety prociedures. It is a large expense and one that Southwest has chosen not to undertake to date...although there are rumors that they want to start flying to Hawaii on their own planes.. But for now if they are going to El Salvador they are taking the scenic route over Mexico City.


Just in case anyone forgot, PJ has been/is employed by the aircraft industry.

I'll take any outsourcing if it's done by the following countries:

Japan
Germany
England






snidely333
snidely333
Apr 21, 2011
11:28am
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I figure the pilots know more about it than the passengers and the pilot is putting his/her life at stake more often than the passengers. So, if it's good enough for the pilot, it's good enough for me.
billryan
billryan
Apr 21, 2011
3:29pm
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I doubt it. Southwest airplanes are not configured/certified to fly over large bodies of water. Its one of the ways they are able to keep their costs down. And airlines have to pay a fee for every country they fly over...so flying from the US to El Salvador over all of the countries in between is pretty expensive.


On a Miami to El Salvador route, how many countries get flown over?


Southwest cant fly from Miami to El Salvador unless they follow the coastline all the way down - in which case I believe there are 3 countries between Miami and El Salvador (not to mention an incredibly inefficient route).

Airplanes need to be ETOPS certified in order to fly over water. Basically that means they need to be better configured for a water landing, have improved backup power, and a crew that is regularly trained on water landings and safety prociedures. It is a large expense and one that Southwest has chosen not to undertake to date...although there are rumors that they want to start flying to Hawaii on their own planes.. But for now if they are going to El Salvador they are taking the scenic route over Mexico City.


Aren't you quoting rules for passenger flights?

Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Apr 21, 2011
3:45pm
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
I'll take any outsourcing if it's done by the following countries:

Japan
Germany
England
I bet you accept international aviation outsourcing all the time and don't know it and really don't care.

Either that or you never fly.
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