Speech Suppression

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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: billryan
Just to be clear, the first amendment states that the gubermint can't tell you what you can write or say. It doesn't mean I have to listen to it, or state that I have to let you speak.
Organized resistance is a protected right, violent resistance is not.


What in the world does it say anywhere that anyone can " or state that I have to let you speak." . That statement goes against everything the first amendment says. One can definitely choose not to listen, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY can tell me or you or anyone in ths country that they can't speak their mind.



That's not true at all. I'll give you a perfect example. A few years ago, the new LVA book didn't contain its usual amount of match play coupons. several members, including myself complained. Anthony came on and said that because the book now contained a Carrot Top coupon, it was better than ever, or words to that effect.
When we disagreed and carried on, Anthony banned us. His ball, his rules.
Want another example- A couple years back, my nephew brought his new girlfriend to my house for Christmas dinner. She made a couple of anti- religious remarks and then made a very offensive joke about President Obama and his family. I told her I didn't appreciate either and she gave me the old 'This is America and I can say whatever I want. My simple reply was-" Yes, and you can say it in the street. Its time for you to go, and you are not welcome in my house again". I was afraid of how the rest of my family would react, but it was mostly positive.
The First Amendment only applies to the government, not to individuals. Yelling 'Fire" in a movie will get you arrested. Yelling obscenities in a movie will get you ejected.
Do you need more examples?
Both examples take place on private property, thus doesn't apply to folks talking on the street.


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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: billryan
Just to be clear, the first amendment states that the gubermint can't tell you what you can write or say. It doesn't mean I have to listen to it, or state that I have to let you speak.
Organized resistance is a protected right, violent resistance is not.


What in the world does it say anywhere that anyone can " or state that I have to let you speak." . That statement goes against everything the first amendment says. One can definitely choose not to listen, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY can tell me or you or anyone in ths country that they can't speak their mind.



That's not true at all. I'll give you a perfect example. A few years ago, the new LVA book didn't contain its usual amount of match play coupons. several members, including myself complained. Anthony came on and said that because the book now contained a Carrot Top coupon, it was better than ever, or words to that effect.
When we disagreed and carried on, Anthony banned us. His ball, his rules.
Want another example- A couple years back, my nephew brought his new girlfriend to my house for Christmas dinner. She made a couple of anti- religious remarks and then made a very offensive joke about President Obama and his family. I told her I didn't appreciate either and she gave me the old 'This is America and I can say whatever I want. My simple reply was-" Yes, and you can say it in the street. Its time for you to go, and you are not welcome in my house again". I was afraid of how the rest of my family would react, but it was mostly positive.
The First Amendment only applies to the government, not to individuals. Yelling 'Fire" in a movie will get you arrested. Yelling obscenities in a movie will get you ejected.
Do you need more examples?


Where did I ever say it did?
However, since you bring up the street. Lets say you are on a corner giving a speech. I come along with fifty other people and loudly start singing Christmas Carols. Am I violating your right to continue speaking, even though I am making sure no one can hear you?
Yes, your 50 people would be violating my right to free speech.............because free speech implies free communication.

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Originally posted by: billryan
Where did I ever say it did?
However, since you bring up the street. Lets say you are on a corner giving a speech. I come along with fifty other people and loudly start singing Christmas Carols. Am I violating your right to continue speaking, even though I am making sure no one can hear you?



It is simple. Let's pretend Hillary was speaking and that conservatives did what these protesters did, do you think it would have been reported in a similar fashion by the media? Liberals and the liberal media have a double standard. There are liberal political boards that will ban you in an instant if you take a conservative point of view and disagree with someone. Yet they somehow never think of themselves as stifling free speech.
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
It is simple. Let's pretend Hillary was speaking and that conservatives did what these protesters did, do you think it would have been reported in a similar fashion by the media?

Of course it would be reported exactly the same...They'd blame it on Trump!

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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
It is simple. Let's pretend Hillary was speaking and that conservatives did what these protesters did, do you think it would have been reported in a similar fashion by the media? Liberals and the liberal media have a double standard. There are liberal political boards that will ban you in an instant if you take a conservative point of view and disagree with someone. Yet they somehow never think of themselves as stifling free speech.


The owner of any chat room can ban anyone for any reason.
The blackjack site I frequent will delete any thread the owner thinks is political. The comic book site bans all political postings but still gets accused of favoritism by people on both side. I have never ventured into a political forum.
So is bill saying that it is ok for one group to create a situation that makes a second group unable to hear a speech?
I'm saying it's not a First Amendment issue.
Is it wrong when large groups of Vets block the Westboro Church from protesting at a Soldier's funeral?
When Yankee fans shout down people starting a Sox chant? If a speaker is saying something you disagree with, what law says you need to sit in silence?
In what world can 50,000 fans chant that a ballplayer sucks, but a few hundred can't do the same for a wanna be politician.
Peaceful,vocal protest is okay with me in most cases. I wouldn't like to see it at a funeral or religious service, but organizing protests at a political rally?
It's as American as apple pie.
It's still very simple:

An individual American protester has as much right to speak out as...Donald Trump.

Welcome to America.
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