Speech Suppression

Im so glad we have DonDiego to define where protest interuptions cross the line between being "corrective" and violations of free speech.
And DonDiego now claims that "facts mattering" gives reason for interupting jerks to interfere with someone's free speech.

I thank DonDiego for showing us where he weighs in on his own scale:
"E. Groups with which I agree may do whatever they please; groups with whom I disagree are not permitted to silence the opposition."
Can someone please define what a " unauthorized alien who qualify as resident aliens" consists of? I've never heard that term.
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Originally posted by: billryan
Can someone please define what a " unauthorized alien who qualify as resident aliens" consists of? I've never heard that term.
Those are 'illegal aliens' who have actually taken up residence...as opposed to 'illegal aliens' who are just passing through on their way to Canada. Think of Ray Walston in his role as 'Uncle Martin' in the television classic "My Favorite Martian".

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Im so glad we have DonDiego to define where protest interuptions cross the line between being "corrective" and violations of free speech.
And DonDiego now claims that "facts mattering" gives reason for interupting jerks to interfere with someone's free speech.

I thank DonDiego for showing us where he weighs in on his own scale:
"E. Groups with which I agree may do whatever they please; groups with whom I disagree are not permitted to silence the opposition."


Now try and have a little sympathy PJ. Imagine how difficult it would be to recite your loyalty oath if someone keeps interrupting you. You might even forget the mandatory sig hiel at the end.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Im so glad we have DonDiego to define where protest interuptions cross the line between being "corrective" and violations of free speech.
And DonDiego now claims that "facts mattering" gives reason for interupting jerks to interfere with someone's free speech.

I thank DonDiego for showing us where he weighs in on his own scale:
"E. Groups with which I agree may do whatever they please; groups with whom I disagree are not permitted to silence the opposition."
Where to start, where to start, . . . . .

i. Umm, . . . how about at the bottom. pjstroh places poor old DonDiego in the wrong category; DonDiego stated in the original post of this thread where he stands on his "scale":
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
For the record DonDiego is a strong advocate for C.


ii. DonDiego has not defined a line between where interruptions cross a line between corrective and a violation of free speech. In fact, he finds this concept unintelligible.

He does not endorse Representative Wilson's interruption of President Obama; but it was a breech of etiquette not a violation of The Obama's free speech; The Obama continued speaking. That He spoke a lie does not justify the breech of etiquette.

And as DonDiego's choice of Option C indicates he believes Representative Wilson and those who shut down the Trump Rally should have restrained themselves from interfering with others' speech.
However, DonDiego recognizes the difference between (1) pointing out an error in a speaker's statement and then letting him continue and (2) behaving in a manner intended to shut down a political rally altogether, even before it starts. And not by exercising their free speech inappropriately but by simple hooliganism and straight forward thuggery. This should not be tolerated.

To clarify fully, . . . DonDiego opposes those who would conduct themselves in a manner intended to shut down a rally by The Hillary or Senator Sanders, just as much as he would those who intend to shut down a Republican rally, . . . or a rally of any other party.
DonDiego requests a citation of any communication which would indicate otherwise.
[For the record, DonDiego finds The Hillary to be corrupt and detestable; DonDiego disagrees with Senator Sanders political persuasion, but so far as DonDiego knows he is honest and decent.]

iii. And finally, also as recognized in DonDiego's original post, the First Amendment is written so as to prevent the Federal Government from restricting free speech; a citizen or a group of citizens or a mob of citizens cannot violate free speech as guaranteed in the Constitution. But DonDiego suggests everyone should treat others as they would wish to be treated with regard to speaking or conducting a public meeting.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Now try and have a little sympathy PJ. Imagine how difficult it would be to recite your loyalty oath if someone keeps interrupting you. You might even forget the mandatory sig hiel at the end.
HAH !

malliber2's Reductio ad Hitlerum is a violation of Godwin's Law; therefore malliber2 has lost the debate.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Now try and have a little sympathy PJ. Imagine how difficult it would be to recite your loyalty oath if someone keeps interrupting you. You might even forget the mandatory sig hiel at the end.
HAH !

malliber2's Reductio ad Hitlerum is a violation of Godwin's Law; therefore malliber2 has lost the debate.
Godwin's Law no longer applies.



From here forward, anyone raising their right hand is displaying a Nazi salute, according to the left. It should be banished from all courtrooms and removed from taking an oath of office. Sieg Forkush!
I am so sick of all this already. I was absolutely shocked by people saying they were voting for trump. I didn't get it. I try to ignore politicians on a day to day basis and then will read up to be "informed" and appalled by all. I have begun to see why people want trump to break up the "politicians". It is all a disgrace. For the first time, I am probably not voting because my vote is for none of the above. I can't believe this is what is happening on not only our country's stage, but as leaders of the free world. A world stage. It is embarrassing and disgusting. Oddly, I watched sports center and a panel of four retired athletes phrased every debate about march madness with "in my opinion" and "what is your opinion". I mean come on. Each and every candidate, even within their own party, and then to each other say nothing but hurling name calling and attacks. It is just gross. I am registered democrat from being a young voter for Bill Clinton. But as someone asked, I do vote "independent" and have voted for both parties. I vote for who I think is lying the least. Having now become more versed in politics, I am probably defined by others as a conservative republican. But as mentioned. Yes, those who think for themselves absolutely have an issue with someone else labeling and defining me. I am not a sheep and my opinions are formed and if someone (and no one does) has my beliefs then so be it. But my beliefs are not due to a party line or someone else. I have no candidate or even anyone remotely close. I am sadly thinking this is what trump supporters are identifying with. At least he is a mad man speaking his insane truth. Which is far less than any of the others. I do not agree with Hillary on a single value but do think she is the most experienced and smartest. That being said, the "sell out" of attacking Obama as the hideous president that he is and then double talking and working for him makes you lose all credibility. The clintons have become power and money hungry when i do believe the first time around they did believe in their causes and I thought did a good job. Not to say, I don't also see some Clinton policy failures. But he is the last to also do some good. I did not vote for bush or Obama. So yes, beginning to think why bother. We have already and are continuing to lose our world power and standing and I am from a patriotic military family and enjoy the pride and privilege of being an American. We can say goodbye to that. Our country is not surviving intact.
To simplify. Do you think it is right for one group to protest to the level that prevents another group from having a political rally or in the case of colleges prevent a guest speaker from speaking.

I vote no.
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