Stratosphere - crapless craps

The Stratosphere is advertising "Crapless Craps" ....I presume this means there is no loss on a come-out roll of "2,3,12" ?

Has anyone played this game at the Strat and know the table minimum required?
I don't know the minimum required, but I actually played this game at the home of it's inventor...Bob Stupak's Vegas World. 2,3 and 12 are on the layout and become points if hit on the come out. Unfortunately, 11 is also a point and not an automatic winner.
Thanks. I've been reading up on it since my post....looks like its a bad game.

House Edge is pretty high
I've never seen or played it, but read years ago how bad it was. It was evidently another game invented by Stupak to "lure" the unknowing. Crapless craps probably sounded great to the uninformed.

Good Luck!
Ric at Joes

I've played it for fun. At one time, Stupak had single deck black jack with a sign that said the deck was dealt to the last card and that all card counters were welcome. Why wasn't there a line out the door and down the block? Blackjack paid even money. He also supposedly had a game called Polish Roulette, whereby there were no "0's" on the wheel. The only problem with it was that it only had a $5 maximum bet.
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Originally posted by: joespoolhall
I've never seen or played it, but read years ago how bad it was. It was evidently another game invented by Stupak to "lure" the unknowing. Crapless craps probably sounded great to the uninformed.

Good Luck!
Ric at Joes


The only disadvantage I see is getting even money on the pass line on the far outside points. Money behind should pay "true odds" unless they state they pay out different.

Ray
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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
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Originally posted by: joespoolhall
I've never seen or played it, but read years ago how bad it was. It was evidently another game invented by Stupak to "lure" the unknowing. Crapless craps probably sounded great to the uninformed.

Good Luck!
Ric at Joes


The only disadvantage I see is getting even money on the pass line on the far outside points. Money behind should pay "true odds" unless they state they pay out different.

Ray

Placing an odds bet behind a pass line bet pays 3-1 on the 3 or 11 and 6-1 on the 2 or 12, according to the wizardofodds.com I looked at the game last time I stayed at the Strat, but I didn't play. The table was packed and there wasn't room for additional players.
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: rayxtwo
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Originally posted by: joespoolhall
I've never seen or played it, but read years ago how bad it was. It was evidently another game invented by Stupak to "lure" the unknowing. Crapless craps probably sounded great to the uninformed.

Good Luck!
Ric at Joes


The only disadvantage I see is getting even money on the pass line on the far outside points. Money behind should pay "true odds" unless they state they pay out different.

Ray

Placing an odds bet behind a pass line bet pays 3-1 on the 3 or 11 and 6-1 on the 2 or 12, according to the wizardofodds.com I looked at the game last time I stayed at the Strat, but I didn't play. The table was packed and there wasn't room for additional players.


Those would be true odds. There are six combinations of the 7 to only one combination of a 2 or 12 and there are 6 combinations of 7 to 2 combinations of 3 and 11 or 3 to 1. That being said once your point is made on the pass line, You are 6 times more likely to 7 out on a 2 or 12 and 3 times more likely to 7 out on a 3 or 11. Not having the 11 on the comeout reduces 25% of the comout wins. It is fun to say you tried it. You would never want to be serious with the game.
Who would want 2 or a 3 for the point? Damn.
Nice try,Bob. I'll stay away.

The Strat used to have 10/7 video poker,too. It's gone.
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Originally posted by: ddd228
Who would want 2 or a 3 for the point? Damn.
Nice try,Bob. I'll stay away.

The Strat used to have 10/7 video poker,too. It's gone.


On the plus side - they still have plenty of cheap hookers
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