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Supreme Court affirms right to gay marriage

Liondownnow
Liondownnow
Jun 26, 2015
3:19pm
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Originally posted by: Liondownnow
Webster is updated yearly. The definition in 2008 is just that, the definition in 2008. If Webster updates their position will you?


So if Webster defines green to be blue next year, is that OK with you?

If won't be OK with me when churches are forced to perform same sex civil unions against their biblical teachings. Will that be OK with you?


I was actually responding to your quote of the Webster (2008) definition. I thought you were standing behind that and wondered how you would (or will) feel when it is changed.

If Webster later defines green to be blue then it will be a true definition. It will simply be that -- a definition. I will not be upset.

I am hoping the Detroit Lions will be defined as a great NFL team,,,,,yet I fear they will not.
thegreek
thegreek
Jun 26, 2015
10:12pm
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Question that comes to mine is how do young children understand any of this? Who explains it to them? How do companies deal with the husband, wife benefit program? My opinion is man and wife are man and woman end of conversation. The world is so screwed up now with drugs--murders, guns, and so many other things I guess people are just starting to accept anything that comes down the line. You may say it an age gap but this was never accepted when I was in High School. Laugh but it really sad that a man or a woman can not find a suitable mate. There is no shortage of either today. Today we are at the palce if we don't agree with something we just turn our heads and continue to move on.
jphelan
jphelan
Jun 27, 2015
12:28am
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If Webster defined the Detroit Lions as a great NFL team, it would not make it so......

I respect any persons right to purchase a "marriage license" from any government agency and to be "married" and have all the rights and burdens that such a marriage brings. However, I feel the word "marriage" has been hijacked to mean something entirely different than it was intended to mean. That seems common today with the "Affordable Care Act" or "No Child Left Behind". or the "fairness doctrine". No problem, I will move on and call weddings in a church a "blessed union" which is indeed what they are!
alanleroy
alanleroy
Jun 27, 2015
12:51am
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Originally posted by: jphelan No problem, I will move on and call weddings in a church a "blessed union" which is indeed what they are!

There are some Christian churches that perform same sex marriage services, including many Lutherans, Quakers and the United Church of Christ. So would you call those marriages 'blessed unions' too...since they were held in a church?

Blessing of Same-Sex Unions in Christian Churches

I am optimistic that one day Polygyny and Polyandry will be recognized as marriage too. In those cases not only does society discriminate, it uses the law to punish citizens who only wish to love their spouses in peace.

jphelan
jphelan
Jun 27, 2015
1:21am
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: jphelan No problem, I will move on and call weddings in a church a "blessed union" which is indeed what they are!

There are some Christian churches that perform same sex marriage services, including many Lutherans, Quakers and the United Church of Christ. So would you call those marriages 'blessed unions' too...since they were held in a church?
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Words have meaning, so I suppose I would need to call any wedding ceremony performed in a church a "blessed union".....

chefantwon
chefantwon
Jun 27, 2015
1:25am
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In a truly legal sense, they didn't have much of a choice. The separate but equal bit has been tried and was proven to be a looser.

While the process was shortened considerably it was an outcome to be expected based upon the arguments. This should have been handled by the states, however they had to get the federal government involved and that's where the issue was certain to allow gay marriage. That's why the decent was so vocal, the court is not to create law but decide if the law passes Constitutional muster.

In this case, they created law.

forkushV
forkushV
Jun 27, 2015
1:51am
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Originally posted by: jphelan
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: jphelan No problem, I will move on and call weddings in a church a "blessed union" which is indeed what they are!

There are some Christian churches that perform same sex marriage services, including many Lutherans, Quakers and the United Church of Christ. So would you call those marriages 'blessed unions' too...since they were held in a church?
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Words have meaning, so I suppose I would need to call any wedding ceremony performed in a church a "blessed union".....
A Taliban wedding, consisting of a groom, a bride, and a burkah? A Mormon offshoot cult wedding, where little girls are forced into marriage? A Scientology wedding, where moms seeing their kids for maybe 30 minutes a day and compelled abortions are not uncommon? A "traditional" parent arranged marriage, where the bride and groom have no choice? A "traditional" Biblical wedding, consisting of one groom, 700 brides and 300 concubines (King Solomon)? A "traditional" American wedding up until fairly recently in history, where wives have few legal rights? A "traditional" Southern church wedding in 1967, where marriage was LEGALLY DEFINED as being between a man and woman of the same race only?

And why are those marriages somehow better than one consisting of two atheists, same sex or not, committed to a life of love and fidelity? Fuck any god that tells you that.
Liondownnow
Liondownnow
Jun 27, 2015
2:01am
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Originally posted by: jphelan
If Webster defined the Detroit Lions as a great NFL team, it would not make it so



Tutontow
Tutontow
Jun 27, 2015
2:07am
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Originally posted by: jphelan
I stand by my 2008 statement...

WebsterDefinitionOfMarriage (2008) - the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

By definition, marriage can only occur between a man or a woman. I will not call a "civil union" a marriage because, by definition, it cannot be a marriage.

If you want to call yourself a duck -- have at it. But unless you have feathers, a pecker, and say Quack --- I'm not gonna call you a duck. Having a statewide proposition to allow you to call yourself a duck seems pretty silly to me.

I believe same sex couples should be entitled to buy a license to legally bond, just like they should be able to purchase a license for picnic permit. To avoid confusion, I now call a marriage conducted in a church a "Blessed Union" because it is totally different than two men, two women, or two ducks that are bonded by a justice of the peace.


I'll bet daylight saving time really messes you up. Just because the government says it is 2 AM and not 3 AM doesn't make it so. Prior to 1966 it was 3 AM damnit and I ain't changing just because of The Uniform Time Act of 1966. God made it 3 AM and it is 3 AM and just because some lawmaker wants to make it 2 AM doesn't matter to me.

Boilerman
Boilerman
Jun 27, 2015
2:44am
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Like Hillary and our great leader King Obama, Boiler has evolved regarding his position on gay marriage. I would support such a vote if one was needed in Indiana. Boiler is also believer that the Constitution should be followed strictly, and that judges should not legislate from the bench. This issue should should be left to the states.

If judges can create law, why bother having a congress?
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